Re: The official Babyface Pro Thread
Any chance for a low pass filter on the hardware outs of the babyface? Surely the dsp can support it.
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Any chance for a low pass filter on the hardware outs of the babyface? Surely the dsp can support it.
Surely there is no DSP.
Surely there is no DSP.
Surely you jest. Is the DSP meter bar in totalmix decorative?
Doesn't even have to take up any additional resources. I mean, if it can have a high pass on every output, it shouldn't be that hard to give it an option for a low pass instead, right? Right?
I'd be more than happy with a configurable high or low cut per hardware out.
Surely you jest. Is the DSP meter bar in totalmix decorative?
Surely as an owner of the BF Pro you should know it does not have DSP.
I mean, if it can have a high pass on every output, it shouldn't be that hard to give it an option for a low pass instead, right? Right?
Wrong. The filters are implemented in the FPGA
I'd be more than happy with a configurable high or low cut per hardware out.
Then you should look at interfaces that have DSP, such as the UCX II.
The Babyface Pro FS is an excellent device, but its design emphasises portability and operation via the USB bus. To achieve this, it does not include a DSP as this would increase power consumption beyond what the USB power supply can handle.
If you are looking for more advanced features, such as an integrated DSP for effects or advanced connectivity, upgrading to the UCX II would be a significant step forward. It offers a more robust feature set while maintaining exceptional audio quality.
For this reason, I often recommend considering a slightly larger model first. The Babyface Pro FS is characterised by being compact and versatile, but it's not designed to replicate the full feature set of its larger counterparts. By upgrading, you'll get a more future-proof setup and get even more useful functions, some of them from the flagship devices like Mic Preamp with 75 dB Gain, DURec, full implementation of DSP chip, RoomEQ and cross-feed.
Hence the name Babyface...
stej wrote:Surely you jest. Is the DSP meter bar in totalmix decorative?
Surely as an owner of the BF Pro you should know it does not have DSP.
I mean, if it can have a high pass on every output, it shouldn't be that hard to give it an option for a low pass instead, right? Right?
Wrong. The filters are implemented in the FPGA
I'd be more than happy with a configurable high or low cut per hardware out.
Then you should look at interfaces that have DSP, such as the UCX II.
You're coming off a bit hostile for no apparent reason.
No, as an owner of a BF pro fs for a few years now I did not know that it doesn't have a DSP. Nor do I think that I should have reasonably known. How should I? The manual mentions multiple times a DSP and there's a DSP FX meter in totalmix. I don't even think there's mention of FPGA anywhere in the manual. If there is, I haven't seen it and I've read it multiple times over the years.
Regardless, so this FPGA or whatever it is, is not programmable via firmware update?
As for the suggestion to use an entirely different product instead, that is not portable, please refrain from assuming. You know what they say.
You're coming off a bit hostile for no apparent reason.
Not any more hostile than you, mocking Matthias.
No, as an owner of a BF pro fs for a few years now I did not know that it doesn't have a DSP.
This does not speak in your favor.
Nor do I think that I should have reasonably known. How should I?
This is what BF Pro's description says on the RME website: "The FPGA-based DSP mixer adds a flexible, 3-band parametric equalizer to all inputs and outputs."
Also by reading through this very thread (and just the very first post of it) one can learn that there is no dedicated signal processor and the DSP functions are implemented in the FPGA. At least I could figure this out.
The manual mentions multiple times a DSP
It mentions DSP in context of signal processing; nowhere does it say that BF Pro has a dedicated fully-featured programmable digital signal processor.
there's a DSP FX meter in totalmix.
TotalMix FX uses the same UI for all RME interfaces. Besides, this meter indicates how many FX are activated, not the actual DSP processor time usage. And it says in the manual that the indicator is only for information purposes.
I don't even think there's mention of FPGA anywhere in the manual.
It took me two seconds to find it, even though I don't own the BF: section 21.6, second paragraph
The Babyface Pro uses a DSP engine within its FPGA for all the calculations of all the EQs and
Low Cuts
If there is, I haven't seen it and I've read it multiple times over the years.
Too bad.
Regardless, so this FPGA or whatever it is, is not programmable via firmware update?
FPGA has limited hardware resources and it is not as versatile and flexible as a software-driven DSP.
As for the suggestion to use an entirely different product instead, that is not portable, please refrain from assuming. You know what they say.
The BF Pro is more compact, but it is limited when used in standalone mode. So you need a DAW to be able to use all of its features. The UCX II, OTOH, is slightly bulkier, yes, but it can be used in fully standalone operation and is better suited for such scenarios due to having a display and six preconfigured setup slots. So it's a matter of a debate which of the two is more portable.
Regardless, so this FPGA or whatever it is, is not programmable via firmware update?
Yes it is, it a programmable field gate array. But it has very limited size and no ram, so might not be possible. Advantage, the dsp and ram can not break, cause they are not there.
Will negative values on the hi shelving filter not do the job?
Not any more hostile than you, mocking Matthias.
I did no such thing. It was a light-hearted comment that you misinterpreted.
I have great appreciation for Matthias's constant presence in these forums.
Disregarding everything else as I'm not in the mood for forum bickering.
Regardless, so this FPGA or whatever it is, is not programmable via firmware update?
Yes it is, it a programmable field gate array. But it has very limited size and no ram, so might not be possible. Advantage, the dsp and ram can not break, cause they are not there.
Will negative values on the hi shelving filter not do the job?
Well, they kinda do, but it's a bit janky.
Need it for crossovers and you know how it is. Can never get it quite right without high/low pass filters.
Or at least I can't. If anyone got an awesome recipe for doing crossovers with shelving filters I'm all ears.
Anyway, if it's programmable and it's possible to give the option of a high cut with a firmware upgrade, it would be a fantastic addition.
If you don't need the mid band both shelving an mid together get very close. First do it by eye so that it looks like a low pass. Then adjust freqs. just test on a track that needs it how close you get to a lowpass in your daw
Maybe it does not fit in FPGA, otherwise it would have been, IMHO, implemented from very beginning....
Surely there is no DSP.
More correctly: It does not have DSP chip, while it has certain DSP calculations done by FPGA.
If you don't need the mid band both shelving an mid together get very close. First do it by eye so that it looks like a low pass. Then adjust freqs. just test on a track that needs it how close you get to a lowpass in your daw
What I'm doing currently is 2 shelves on each output. All set to the crossover frequency, Q 0.8, +20/-20 gain.
And phase inverting one of the two outputs.
It's much steeper than a regular crossover, it won't completely fade out the rejected side and needs lowering faders by 20db to counter the +20 eq boosts, but eh, kinda works.
If I understood correctly your suggestion is to use a single higher Q shelf per output and use the mid band to take out the notch?
No just use the mid band to take out even more of what needs to be removed and/or make it steeper.
Of course I have no idea what you are practically doing, so my advice might be totally off.
No just use the mid band to take out even more of what needs to be removed and/or make it steeper.
Of course I have no idea what you are practically doing, so my advice might be totally off.
Right. So a wide bell on the crossover frequency to make the slope steeper. It's on the same spirit of what I'm doing with the double shelves I suppose. I'll see if it can work since I'd really like to get rid of the positive gain shelves.
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