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Makes no sense somehow...
yes makes no sense but the issue described seems to come thru the power adapter, nothing else possible.
The Arturia has its own power supply, and he's referring to a powered USB hub. I still don't quite see how the presence of an ADAT signal would have any influence or which cable may have caused this, or somehow changed the amount of power supplied by the hub...
defect hub
@Ambrosepottie
Please would you do a test ?
Disconnect the Adat cables and let everything else be.
Switching ON/OFF the Arturia has still an effect on the interface ?
Hi, folks!
I literally ready to kill myself because of the problem:
I can't route signal from Babyface Pro FS's instr. 3/4 inputs into DAW to record the signal that going to the inputs.
So... My device is going into instr. 3/4 inputs. I can hear the signal thru my headphones that connected to Babyface Pro.
Also I can hear the signal from DAW when some VSTs are playing.
What I'm doing wrong? I think that I googled everything that I can find 
Live settings:
Total Mix:
Have you been playing around in Totalmix ?
Did you activate Loopback on several outputs and forgot to switch them off ?
Have you been playing around in Totalmix ?
Did you activate Loopback on several outputs and forgot to switch them off ?
I checked Loopback function 10 times, mate... Tried to move things here and there in the TM software too 
Ok then do Total Reset
Is Ableton listed in the Microphone Access in MacOS systrem preferences / Security and Privacy / Microphone ?
Ok then do Total Reset
I did it 3 times or so... What I noticed is that in DAW Bitwig, for example, there is no input 3/4 from Babyface at all.
Interesting, Bitwig seems to have special channel names prepared for popular interfaces.
It is instrument 1/2 assigned to input channels 3/4, I guess.
In Ableton inputs in your screenshot, these yellow fields are not buttons to switch ON that input channel ?
What I noticed is that in DAW Bitwig, for example, there is no input 3/4 from Babyface at all.
Instr. 1/2 = "input 3/4"
technoiswatchingyou wrote:What I noticed is that in DAW Bitwig, for example, there is no input 3/4 from Babyface at all.
Instr. 1/2 = "input 3/4"
I tried to select this channels too and still no signal are going into Bitwig
Interesting, Bitwig seems to have special channel names prepared for popular interfaces.
It is instrument 1/2 assigned to input channels 3/4, I guess.
In Ableton inputs in your screenshot, these yellow fields are not buttons to switch ON that input channel ?
Yellow fields are exactly buttons that are turned ON for all channels.
Enable input monitoring in bitwig
Check this please :
Is Ableton ( and Bitwig) listed and enabled in the Microphone Access in MacOS systrem preferences / Security and Privacy / Microphone ?
Check this please :
Is Ableton ( and Bitwig) listed and enabled in the Microphone Access in MacOS systrem preferences / Security and Privacy / Microphone ?
Turned ON 
Enable input monitoring in bitwig
I tried — nothing is happened I mean, I know that monitoring must be turned ON.
Then the signal should arrive.
The input signal has a good volume in Totalmix, this is the signal available in the DAW.
There is nothing to route from the interface to the DAW. Only select the input channel in the DAW.
Then the signal should arrive.
The input signal has a good volume in Totalmix, this is the signal available in the DAW.
There is nothing to route from the interface to the DAW. Only select the input channel in the DAW.
I re-checked settings in Privacy & Security again and access was turned OFF! That's it!
All my love to the advice, pal! Thanks a lot!
Wonderful !
Happy recordings
@Ambrosepottie
Please would you do a test ?
Disconnect the Adat cables and let everything else be.
Switching ON/OFF the Arturia has still an effect on the interface ?
The issue is resolved, I think it was the usb cable that goes from the powered hub to the computer. The Babyface usb was plugged into the hub, so ultimately not a direct connection to the computer. It manifested as the Babyface not outputting audio. When straight usb to computer connection was made everything works. With or without the ADAT connected or turned on, that was a red herring I guess.
Question number 2. My ADAT expander, an Arturia Audiofuse 8IN does not have any way to designate it as a Clock Slave, other than using Wordclock. I'm using it via toslink to my Babyface Pro fs. If I designate the clock as internal on the Babyface I get a lock signal with sync blinking on occasionally. If I set clock to optical it syncs.
I've seen a number of people with the same issue on this forum and basically what I gather is that it's not synced properly. In this case it may be that the Arturia has to be the clock master, I can't get a straight answer on that from them. But here's an observation: After doing tests with clock in internal and optical mode, everything sounds identical, at least to me. And no noise, pops crackles etc.... So which setting is preferred, the not quite syncing internal clock or the syncing optical (Arturia) clock?
Second, sync to external optical
it was just luck to have audio good sound.
In the Babyface Fireface USB Settings make clock source external optical , then it is correct.
Hello,
Hope this is the right thread to post this question in.
I recently sold my my FF400 and want to replace it with a new interface.
The primary option i am looking at is the Babyface pro FS.
I still have my dangerous music source that i would like to use as a DAC and headphone amp.
I read that in the past it was not possible to connect these two directly via digital, however its not clear to me if this has been resolved in the Pro FS model.
If i understand correctly from the product specs: the RME Babyface Pro FS now does support both ADAT and S/PDIF over its optical TOSLINK port? Meaning you can send a digital S/PDIF optical signal from the Babyface Pro FS to the Dangerous Music Source without needing an ADAT→S/PDIF converter, as long as you configure the Babyface correctly?
Thank you for the clarification on this matter.
Also can you recommend the exact cable that i would need to make the connection?
sincerely,
Sven
All Babyface USB interfaces (Pro and non-Pro) supported optical SPDIF as you can read in the manuals.
But the Dangerous Music Source has no optical input for ADAT or optical SPDIF.
It has only an AES/SPDIF (coaxial) input.
You would need two adapters
a) e.g. a Lindy 70411 to convert optical SPDIF to coaxial SPDIF
b) Best a Neutrik NADIT BNC-M BNC-Adapter to convert SPDIF(c) to AES.
To prevent any potential issue with different levels and impedances, which are different between AES and SPDIF.
IMHO the better solution would be getting a UCX II and making an AES connection to your Dangerous Music Source.
Maybe somebody who used such a converter chain already could comment on which converters he used successfully, as the UCX II is a more expensive solution. I never used such converters for such a purpose.
All Babyface USB interfaces (Pro and non-Pro) supported optical SPDIF as you can read in the manuals.
But the Dangerous Music Source has no optical input for ADAT or optical SPDIF.
It has only an AES/SPDIF (coaxial) input.You would need two adapters
a) e.g. a Lindy 70411 to convert optical SPDIF to coaxial SPDIF
b) Best a Neutrik NADIT BNC-M BNC-Adapter to convert SPDIF(c) to AES.
To prevent any potential issue with different levels and impedances, which are different between AES and SPDIF.IMHO the better solution would be getting a UCX II and making an AES connection to your Dangerous Music Source.
Maybe somebody who used such a converter chain already could comment on which converters he used successfully, as the UCX II is a more expensive solution. I never used such converters for such a purpose.
Thank you, its now clear to me that the babyface is idd not the best option for my use case and the UCX II would provide me a solution without any headaches. Im thinking i should just increase my budget and go for the UCX II.
ramses wrote:All Babyface USB interfaces (Pro and non-Pro) supported optical SPDIF as you can read in the manuals.
But the Dangerous Music Source has no optical input for ADAT or optical SPDIF.
It has only an AES/SPDIF (coaxial) input.You would need two adapters
a) e.g. a Lindy 70411 to convert optical SPDIF to coaxial SPDIF
b) Best a Neutrik NADIT BNC-M BNC-Adapter to convert SPDIF(c) to AES.
To prevent any potential issue with different levels and impedances, which are different between AES and SPDIF.IMHO the better solution would be getting a UCX II and making an AES connection to your Dangerous Music Source.
Maybe somebody who used such a converter chain already could comment on which converters he used successfully, as the UCX II is a more expensive solution. I never used such converters for such a purpose.
Thank you, its now clear to me that the babyface is idd not the best option for my use case and the UCX II would provide me a solution without any headaches. Im thinking i should just increase my budget and go for the UCX II.
I think this is a good decision, if mobility and bus powered operation is not the major goal.
By this you are getting more I/O channels, also analog I/O for connecting e.g. external devices (FX, etc)
and features from the flagship interfaces:
- Mic gain 75 dB
- Autoset
- AES
- DURec
- RoomEQ
- Crossfeed
For a more detailed comparison, see my Excel: https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=35156
Anyone knows where I can buy a longer usb-cable for the Babyface FS? Does RME sell a longer cable? I feel it is too short for my taste. Or would it give a worse performance, wouldn't get enough power to the BF if I run a longer cable?
Also on another topic. I have gotten a lot of static from my headphones when I put them on and either one of the channels I think the left one pops and stop working. Using the Sony MDR-7506. I have to remove the usb-cable to power the BF off then put it in again to make it all work again.
The Babyface FS is like new so I have no idea why it does like that. Never had this problem before this winter and I've had the BF FS since it got released.
The pads on the Sony headphones are worn out. Could it be that?
In terms of cable length, USB 2 supports up to 5 m passive, with active extenders from StarTech even longer.
Check the Lindy shop; they sell good quality for a normal price.
In terms of cable length, USB 2 supports up to 5 m passive, with active extenders from StarTech even longer.
Check the Lindy shop; they sell good quality for a normal price.
Thanks but Lindy shop where's that?
Google for Lindy, you should get a hit. They sell in different regions.
Cromo Cable is fine. This cable is 5 m:
https://www.lindy.de/5m-USB-2-0-Typ-A-a … p;pi=36644
If 3m is enough, get only 3m.
Nice cable, just L-shaped type-A plug (and bent to the right direction, so that DC inlet is not obstructed by the plug/cable) would be even better. I like that USB cable provided by RME with L-haped plug.
It has two advantages. It takes less space when plugged in BFP and it is less prone to damage USB socket if something drops on it (less force).
Nice cable, just L-shaped type-A plug (and bent to the right direction, so that DC inlet is not obstructed by the plug/cable) would be even better. I like that USB cable provided by RME with L-haped plug.
It has two advantages. It takes less space when plugged in BFP and it is less prone to damage USB socket if something drops on it (less force).
Well, then find such a cable in similar quality, like from Lindy. Good luck; I gave up. 
The combination of a Lindy cable and an adapter with a proper angle so that the cable goes straight to the back would be a nice solution.
Yes, it would be solution. Good idea. So, far I use RME cable, no need for longer one, even shorter would do for my usecase.
Kubrak wrote:Nice cable, just L-shaped type-A plug (and bent to the right direction, so that DC inlet is not obstructed by the plug/cable) would be even better. I like that USB cable provided by RME with L-haped plug.
It has two advantages. It takes less space when plugged in BFP and it is less prone to damage USB socket if something drops on it (less force).
Well, then find such a cable in similar quality, like from Lindy. Good luck; I gave up.
Yes I need one with an angle just like the original cable coming with the BF card. Do they sell anyone like that?
Use the original cable plus a short (as long as needed) USB 3 cable extension (USB-A male to USB-A female).
Does anyone know if using the +18db switch on the back of the babyface pro fs to drive an HD650 introduce some sort of distorsion or degradation of the sound ?
Thank you
Does anyone know if using the +18db switch on the back of the babyface pro fs to drive an HD650 introduce some sort of distorsion or degradation of the sound ?
Thank you
The switch is for the XLR analog output not the headphone output.
bensmir.hbs wrote:Does anyone know if using the +18db switch on the back of the babyface pro fs to drive an HD650 introduce some sort of distorsion or degradation of the sound ?
Thank you
The switch is for the XLR analog output not the headphone output.
thank you
waedi wrote:bensmir.hbs wrote:Does anyone know if using the +18db switch on the back of the babyface pro fs to drive an HD650 introduce some sort of distorsion or degradation of the sound ?
Thank you
The switch is for the XLR analog output not the headphone output.
thank you
Look at the technical section of the manual.
There you see whether analog inputs and outputs support ref level switching.
From that, it is easy to deduce this kind of information.
And I am pretty sure the thing with the switch is also explained in an earlier manual chapter.
User manual page 9 :
It has no harm to sound quality of any output.
The headphone HD650 with 300 Ohm impedance is no problem to use with the headphone socket directly.
Use the original cable plus a short (as long as needed) USB 3 cable extension (USB-A male to USB-A female).
Thank you! Would a let's say a two or three meter usb cable of good quality be okay too?
I also have a problem with static. When I sit in my chair and take on my headphones (Sony MDR-7506), I hear a pop and the the left channel of the Babyface shuts down. I always have to unplug the usb-cable to power off/on to make the left channel working again. Otherwise I no problem with it despite it being almost seven years old right now.
I hope it isn't anything wrong with the Babyfase FS. Changing usb-ports ib the back I/O part of the motherboard didn't help either.
It might help, if you discharge yourself before sitting, or even better before taking headphones on.... To discharge yourself, touch piece of metal that is earthed.
Or wear clothes that is made of cotton and like. But also carpets and material of your chair may play the role....
It might help, if you discharge yourself before sitting, or even better before taking headphones on.... To discharge yourself, touch piece of metal that is earthed.
Or wear clothes that is made of cotton and like. But also carpets and material of your chair may play the role....
Yeah! I've gotten used to do that but sometimes it doesn't help. The left channel just popped again. I unplugged the phones and plugged it back again in the BF but the left channel was still out. I had to remove the usb powercable from the soundcard to to discharge? it.
I wonder if culprit could be the main cable from my phones that gotten loose that make it extra sensetive to static? The cable fron the Sony phones often got caught tangled in the chair and it been strained numeral times.
I bought a new set of Sony MDR-7506 phones and see if it helps. I really hope it isn't anything with the soundcard. I bought it when it was new seven years ago so the warranty have gone out a long time ago.
Hi
I'm planning to expand the ADAT inputs and outputs on my BF Could you recommend a good, affordable device?
Thanks
Hi
I'm planning to expand the ADAT inputs and outputs on my BF Could you recommend a good, affordable device?Thanks
The Behringer ADA8200 is the cheapest you can get. (44,1 or 48 kHz)
https://www.thomann.de/de/behringer_ada … ragain.htm
It is a great gear, it does just the job and I have one and be very happy with it.
For a bit more money you should look at Ferrofish, they are very popular.
Hi
I'm planning to expand the ADAT inputs and outputs on my BF Could you recommend a good, affordable device?Thanks
I use the Arturia 8in. Much better than the Berringer. Works flawlessly and sounds great. No preamps though, which is what I wanted as I already have several preamps.
Arturia Audiofuse X8 In - Much better than the Berringer.
It cost near the double and has no analog outputs and no mic preamps and it can't sync to Adat. What is than better ?
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