Topic: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

I intuitive turn
Upper botton for treble
Lower button for bass

Is there a setting where i can set upper for treble and lower for bass
And where can i find it?

Thank you

Adi-2 Pro, Adi-2 Dac Fs

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Ok you mean bass has to be down ..
First of all, never saw this mentioned in the manual.

As a little counter proof that it makes sense (like it is).
When you look at frequency measuring curves, then you have the low frequencies on the left and the high frequencies on the right.

The normal system for us Europeans is
- "from left to right"
- "from top to bottom"
So if Bass is left and treble right, then with vertical arrangement of knobs the result is:
- Bass at the top
- Treble at the bottom.

And as a mnemonic, B comes before T in the alphabet wink

I am pretty sure you might find reasons for the opposite wink

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro20H2, Cub11 Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Good explanation - now i can understand the reason for this design
Thank you

There are so many things in the world, which are easier to understand if explained :-)

Adi-2 Pro, Adi-2 Dac Fs

4 (edited by Curt962 2020-10-30 21:31:27)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Gosh.. I had to think about this!!   My Thumb, and Forefinger know EXACTLY where to reach to adjust B/T without taxing my already limited Gray-Matter.    That seems to be the Textbook Definition of: "Intuitive"

To Wit:  "using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive."

Vienna, consider also that the Small Encoders (1&2) perform a variety of other functions in the operation of the ADI-2 DAC.  As such, I think the existing configuration is Ideal, and is simply the way it SHOULD be. 

Best!

Curt

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

5 (edited by KaiS 2020-10-31 01:07:26)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

One can try to talk it correct, but it's not.

Everywhere else it's the other way around.

Even with music notation higher voices note on top, and even the name bass (= italiano: base) suggests to be underneath.

Same strange decision like the reversed headphone outputs, 3/4 -1/2 on the front panel.
I know, the idea was to get the plug out of the way, but as soon as you have two plugs in, that's nope.

Finally it's easy to remember, with the ADI-2 everything is upside down smile
Fortunately the volume dial runs in the right direction smile smile smile

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

KaiS wrote:

One can try to talk it correct, but it's not.

Everywhere else it's the other way around.

Even with music notation higher voices note on top, and even the name bass (= italiano: base) suggests to be underneath.

Same strange decision like the reversed headphone outputs, 3/4 -1/2 on the front panel.
I know, the idea was to get the plug out of the way, but as soon as you have two plugs in, that's nope.

Finally it's easy to remember, with the ADI-2 everything is upside down smile
Fortunately the volume dial runs in the right direction smile smile smile

Agree with you.

+1 for bass on the botton and high on top.
As (at least my) logic and the same words suggest.

7 (edited by Curt962 2020-11-01 05:32:43)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Gosh People. 

Two (2) Encoders.   It's One or the Other.    Narrows things down  wink

It's not like we're sifting through a Bag of Marbles, etc in order to simply tweak the tone.  Not at all.  Just turn the @#+&'ing knob, (one or the other) and be done with it.   The System will work EXACTLY the same way next time, and you're going to figure it out!  Humans have the ability to adapt!   Even Old People like Me!

Interestingly, I see more clearly now WHY we need to put "Warning Labels" on everything.  Ex:  I have some Copper Sulfate solution at home.  To aid in maintaining my Septic Tank.   In BOLD print...the label states:  DO NOT DRINK!

No Sh_t,??  Really? 

Gosh.  I SO WANTED a Taste!

Maybe if the Mfr was so considerate to make the Substance NON-Poisonous, I could have things MY WAY.  :  More "intuitive" as it were..

We're NOT getting smarter folks!!


wink

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

8 (edited by AndreasW 2020-11-01 20:44:11)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

LOL

Being a GERMAN engineer I must confess that the current B/T layout also makes absolutely no sense to me.
I don't know why, but I simply expect the highs at top and the bass at bottom position.

It was weird to me right from the beginning and still is.

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Would it perhaps help to turn the ADI upside down ? wink

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro20H2, Cub11 Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Laughing!!

I cannot believe this matter is even a topic of discussion!  My Fingers seem to know exactly where to go, so I absolutely DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S A$$ which is which!

Wow!   Surely there are greater things to worry about yes?

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Curt962 wrote:

Laughing!!

I cannot believe this matter is even a topic of discussion!  My Fingers seem to know exactly where to go, so I absolutely DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S A$$ which is which!

Wow!   Surely there are greater things to worry about yes?

I actually found it more logical for bass to be on top but that's because I typically don't adjust treble as often as bass - but I can see the rationale about treble at the 'high' position wink

12 (edited by KaiS 2020-11-02 08:56:30)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

I know it's beating a dead horse, but:

At least the ADI-2 PRO aims at audio professionals, recording studios too.

We are used to have treble on top, bass at the bottom, channel 1/2 to the left ... - on the tool we are all working with all day long, the mixing console.
EQ is even labeled this way usually: Hi, Lo or the like.


I remember a live mixing console (YAMAHA PM 3000) that had reversed (rel. to common standard) Gain and Pan controls.
Everyone hated it for that, live mixing is intuitive and fast:
Guess what happens if you quickly turn a channel's signal to the right ... arghhh!

13 (edited by ramses 2020-11-02 08:51:18)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Oh dear, yes I can imagine.

On the other hand .. most of the time bass is more critical, if you operate the ADI-2 Pro with just one
and in my case with the left hand, then its great to have Bass on the top.

For my home recording studio I keep Bass and Treble at "0" all the time.
For my HiFi corner I have a permanent bass boost of +3 if I remember right, which is just right for me.

By this I have more or less kind of static settings plus the comfort of dynamic loudness.

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro20H2, Cub11 Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Solution might be a setup setting Option:
Bass/Treble -- RME style or reverse

Adi-2 Pro, Adi-2 Dac Fs

15 (edited by Curt962 2020-11-03 21:42:59)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Or!

I was very near the Equator yesterday, when it suddenly occured to me!!

Move to the Southern Hemisphere!  Everything is reversed there! big_smile

Even TOILETS flush backwards.  Coriolis Force.  Pure Science.   RME did it right, and embraced an entire Hemisphere of Persons who have been for SO long ignored.  smile

Curt

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

How does it work directly ON the Equator - please check it out.

Adi-2 Pro, Adi-2 Dac Fs

17 (edited by N00b 2020-11-04 11:21:37)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Viennacalling wrote:

Solution might be a setup setting Option:
Bass/Treble -- RME style or reverse

We don't have to figure out a solution if there is no problem big_smile
As Kais said, I agree "Bass" would have been more "intuitive" to me on the lower encoder ("low pitched" refers to bass, bass part on piano scores are on the bottom, and in French, "Basses" litteraly means low!).

But on the other side, as Curt said, it's only 2 encoders, even my weak brain can handle that... And "B" and "T" are engraved on the unit, so for me it won't make sense to reverse it: the engraving won't change (FPGA programming is powerful but not that much).

ADI-2 DAC (with stock PSU) - Neumann KH 310 A monitors - Cheap USB and XLR cables

18 (edited by Curt962 2020-11-05 01:21:33)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Viennacalling wrote:

How does it work directly ON the Equator - please check it out.

Vienna,  my DAC is sitting comfortably at 33deg No. Lat.  I was simply on a spur of the Moment Job assignment.

Now what WOULD concern me...

WHAT HAPPENS TO TOILETS ON THE EQUATOR!!??   Oh the Humanity!

The implications are frightening. big_smile

Curt

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

19 (edited by jistme 2020-11-15 21:27:47)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

I left this forum a while ago since after doing some listening tests I decided to buy another dac that sounded better to me.
I didn't much appreciate the fanboy attitude of a couple of extremely frequently posting members then.

Usually with an attitude similarly embarrassing as Scientology and Apple fanboys.
I see they are still here.
Lots of childish arrogance, and identifying themselves with a product as if it's the holy grail and it has no imperfections at all.

I couldn't care less, but obviously treble should be on top (high frequencies), bass on the bottom (low frequencies)

Not a biggie, and you can get used to it if you are not using a variety of equipment.
But stop defending an obvious weird design choice.

Or just put an Apple logo on the box.

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Jistme..

Care for another Drink?   wink

Curt. (Fanboy)

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Curt962 wrote:

Care for another Drink?   wink
Curt. (Fanboy)

Yeah sure, anybody who has a different opinion than the likes of you is drunk, stupid, or inexperienced.

You don't realize it, but you just proved my point in a perfect manner.

22 (edited by Curt962 2020-11-15 23:54:47)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Jistme,

Gosh.  I'm just wondering what compels one to spontaneously share their personal misery with us.  Seems Odd.  We didn't ask for this unsolicited outburst. 

Kinda sucks Dude.  This forum has a number of fine members who share their knowledge, work tirelessly to assist other users, and help to increase the overall knowledge base, and understanding of the group.   

They deserve better.   

Oh Well..your One Day forum membership speaks volumes. wink

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

jistme wrote:

I left this forum a while ago since after doing some listening tests I decided to buy another dac that sounded better to me.
I didn't much appreciate the fanboy attitude of a couple of extremely frequently posting members then.

If you have found a better dac and/or were annoyed by attitudes on this forum why are you still wasting your time reading miscellaneous threads here and even bother commenting in them?

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Tom,

It is my opinion that this One Day Member was in fact a former Caustic Member banned by Admin.  A certain name comes to mind. wink

Maybe Sundays are "Internet Access" Day at the institution.  big_smile

You understand.

Curt

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Curt962 wrote:

Tom,

It is my opinion that this One Day Member was in fact a former Caustic Member banned by Admin.  A certain name comes to mind. wink

Maybe Sundays are "Internet Access" Day at the institution.  big_smile

You understand.

Curt

Curt,
I understand - too bad this type of noise shows up even in these relatively quiet corners of the internet.
Tom

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

And You would be absolutely correct Tom.

Noise!!! 

Don't worry though.  I'm sure our new friend is having his Medications adjusted as we speak.

Pardon the Disruption!

We now return to your regularly scheduled program....  wink

Best

Curt

Vintage 2018 ADI-2 DAC. "Classic Edition"
Cables:  Red Ones, and White Ones.
Speakers:  Yes (2)

27 (edited by jistme 2020-11-18 22:16:08)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Q.
"If you have found a better dac and/or were annoyed by attitudes on this forum why are you still wasting your time reading miscellaneous threads here and even bother commenting in them?"

A.
Because a friend of mine still has an ADI-2, and I sometimes help him with it.

I subscribed to this forum when I bought (auditioned) an ADI-2 for myself.
At that period I already noticed and experienced some arrogance from regulars (and even 'founders')

When I returned my ADI-2, and later returned to the forum to try and find some answers so to help this friend, I did notice some same people with the same attitude.

I feel that the overall quality of RME products deserves a forum of similar quality, wisdom and objectivity.
But a small selection of extremely frequent posting forum members here in my opinion are operating below that standard, and in doing so tarnish the brand, the forum, and may chase away people that are alergic to fanboyism, and ridiculing different opinions.

Please do stay safe in your protected enviroment where some of you are called 'mastermind'.

But don't suggest I am addressing anybody else here than those who (deservedly) feel addressed.
It is always a very weak argument to use 'we', when you are speaking as a person.
Or is the Borg controlling this forum?

I sincerely respect anybody who contributes and provides assistance on this (or any other) forum without the need for displaying their ego, showing biassed fanboy behaviour, and ridiculing other's opinions and experiences.

P.S.
I was never banned.
Perhaps I now provided you the tools to have me banned, since this is not pleasant talk, and it can surely be considered off-topic?

28 (edited by ramses 2020-11-18 22:56:02)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

> Please do stay safe in your protected enviroment where some of you are called 'mastermind'.

To bring some light into the term "mastermind". Like in most (if not all) internet forums this is simply a title for users
based on the number of postings. As forum admin you can configure the terms / numbers as you like. ..

From a user perspective you get it .. no matter if you want it or deserve it or not...
So it makes no real sense to bring this into the discussion or argumentation and derive certain things from it.

EDIT: But I also wonder why you barge into this thread and spread bad mood. Your opinion about other people in all honour. But what do you expect now ? A thank you for the nice conversation ? Or did you just get bored and wanted to stir up some forum of your choice ? If you are in a bad mood, I would try to take a walk in the fresh air.

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro20H2, Cub11 Pro, UFX+, XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

29 (edited by jistme 2020-11-18 23:17:12)

Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

I responded to the thread. You are you calling it 'barge into'. Fine.
The Curt person mentioning alcohol and medicines. Fine. (self-reflection perhaps?)

I was interested in the topic because my friend has an ADI-2 and I assist there sometimes.

There are six members in this thread who objectively discussed the matter at hand.

Read it back: the responses of two (senior) members in this thread were childish, arrogant and disrespectful.

You and others in the Borg universe may be blind to that. But it solidifies and confirms my impression and what I stated.
(in some obvious mood of irritation, yes)

The best to you all.
I will not bother or confront anybody or anything here again.

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Re: Intuitive BASS TREBLE

Until post 18 this thread was civil, useful, even entertaining. Please continue like that. Posts 19 to 29 might be removed at a later time as they just make the thread cumbersome to read and follow, and steer away from the thread's topic.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME