TheBlack wrote:So, I'll first give some info on what I tried and what worked. First of all, all I could do was assign in the middle row (software playback) AN 1/2 to AS 1/2. That made it possible for me to get sound from Cubase.
But I don't know if this is ideal (although it works)?
This is one of THE key features of TM FX routing and you will become acquainted with it over time...
This makes it possible to structure your audio flows according to certain types/sources of audio
and in a 2nd step to create submixes for each of your HW outputs individually by mixing audio from
HW inputs (with near-zero latency) and SW playback channels (with the usual latency over USB)-
To put an example, I also have two devices like you, UFX+ and ADI-2 Pro connected through AES.
I have the following main audio sources / types of audio and send it to the following ports
- Audio from Windows and non-ASIO aware applications (through WDM driver) -> AN 1/2 (Sw Playback, middle row)
- Audio from MusicBee Player (through ASIO driver) -> AN 3/4 (Sw Playback, middle row)
- Audio from Games (through WDM driver) -> AN 5/6 (Sw Playback, middle row)
- Audio from DAW -> AES (Sw Playback, middle row)
Example1: recording guitar, I want to listen to a backing track from DAW and recorded guitar signal from mic on phones.
Phones are connected to AN9/10 of my UFX+.
Routing: I select the HW output AN9/10 in the bottom row and create the submix for phones by
- raising the fader of my Mic channel: HW Input AN9 (Mic1)
- raising the fader of the backing track from PC: e.g. coming from MusicBee: SW Playback Channel AN3/4
- raising the fader of the backing track from PC: e.g. coming from Youtube: SW Playback Channel AN1/2
Example2: listening to my music from MusicBee player while gaming
Phones are connected to ADI-2 Pro (connected through AES port of my UFX+)
Routing: I select the HW output AES OUT in the bottom row and create the submix for phones on ADI-2 Pro by
- raising the fader for game sound from PC: SW Playback Channel AN5/6
- raising the fader for music from MusicBee from PC: SW Playback Channel AN3/4
TheBlack wrote:Also, I have projects in 44.100 khz and 48.000 khz. When testing the 48.000 khz ones, I had to change the settings in Madiface USB settings to 48.000 khz manually, otherwise it won't give my any sound.
If you work with your DAW and if you are using the proper ASIO driver, then the DAW sets the sample rate for your audio project. This sets the BBF Pro automatically to the proper sample rate and the ADI-2 Pro will learn the sample rate as "clock slave" though ADAT.
If you are not working with the ADAT driver it might be the case that windows driver need other treatment.
Or you still did not setup the BBF Pro properly as clock master (clock source internal) and ADI-2 Pro as clock slave.
TheBlack wrote:So, going by your instructions ramses. I have stranded numerous times. I have the following questions:
Ok, lets see ...
TheBlack wrote:3b b) ADI-2 Pro ADAT OUT to BBF Pro FS ADAT IN (option: to get audio from ADI-2 Pro if needed/wanted) Would this be a workaround to my problem of manually having to switch the amount of khz as stated above? Just get the sound from the ADI-2?
ADAT is "unidirectional" (guess why the ports are called ADAT IN and ADAT OUT separately ..)
If you want to record something from ADI-2 Pro's analog input, then you need a 2nd TOSLINK cable from ADI-2 Pro to the BBF Pro. I flagged this as optional because it might be the case that you want to use the ADI-2 Pro only for playback...
The transfer of clocking information is only possible through an ADAT port that sends data ..
This is the TOSLINK cable from BBF Pro ----> to the ADI-2 Pro (which you use for audio playback)
If you have to select the sample rate manually, then you do something wrong.
BBF Pro is clock master (driver settings: clock source "internal"), ADI-2 Pro needs to learn clock from ADAT in.
TheBlack wrote:In WDM Settings select in TAB "WDM Devices"
[x] "AN 1/2" (in case some applications can only use this entry)
and in the TAB "Speaker"
[x] AN 1/2 as well (this creates the speaker icon in Windows Sound settings)
Searched high and low, could not find where to adjust these settings
You have a very nice PDF manual which you can read with Acroread which has a search function. Search for "WDM" ...
It's in the driver settings, the small icon on the Windows screen, bottom right in the Windows notification field.
Might be hidden depending on your Windows settings to maybe hide some of the icons ....
TheBlack wrote:8. In Windows Sound settings look for the RME Speaker Icon and set it as default Sound device
In sound it states output as SPDIF/ADAT (1+2) (RME Babyface Pro). If I click on Sound Control Panel, currently Analag (3+4) RME Babyface Pro with a headphones icon is set as Default Communications Device, also SPDIF/ADAT (1+2) RME Babyface Pro is set as Default Device. Is this what you mean?
I also see Speakers Rme Babyface Pro, but it's not set to a default.
Yes the speaker symbol ... This you created in the driver settings under "WDM".
Pls remember, the purpose was to create a Windows compatible sound device for the ADAT port AS1/2,
because Windows does not support ASIO.
And yes .. of course you need to set THIS now to the default Windows sound device.
Otherwise Windows would not use it ...
TheBlack wrote:9. Click to "Assign" Button in the TM FX Control Room section and map AS1/2 to "Main Out" I have absolutely no clue how to do this, unless I did it correctly as described above. The only place where I actually see "Assign" is on the right hand bottom at Main
Well .. you found it, this button you should click and the rest is nearly self explanatory.
The objective is to map AS1/2 to "Main Out".
You see now a pull-down menue with "Main Out", other entries and they all have submenues.
When you move the mouse over "Main out" then another submenue with all the channels is being shown.
Now you need to select the ADAT output as "Main Out".
TheBlack wrote:11. Select HW Output "Main Out" (Bottom Row) in the control room section You mean "Main" at the right hand bottom? I don't see Main Out
Raise the fader of SW Playback channel AN1/2 (middle row) Tidal gets it's sound through AS 1/2, Cubase through AN 1/2, is this normal though?
Yes this is normal. I explained this very powerful and useful feature above.
TheBlack wrote: Now you route audio which is being send by Windows and Applications to AN1/2 to the ADAT output !!
This is the flexibility of TM FX:
- audio from Windows and Applications is 1st being send to the TM FX Middle Row (not to the real output)
- from there it can be routed to the real HW outputs and use this like a patch bay
- you configure routings on a per HW output basis .. every HW output (base row) is a submix,
hence the name of this mode -> submix mode
You have kind of lost me here completely.
I tried to explain to you TM FX routing in brief.
Please give it some time, rome has not been build in a few days either.
Check manual on this topic and a big recommendation is to watch very good RME tutorial videos.
They do not consume much time, because the explanations are "to the point" without any "bla bla" factor.
Here I put together a collection of RME tutorials:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … al-Videos/
TheBlack wrote:13. Configure ADI-2 Pro as clock slave to read clock from SPDIF
Options: Clock -> Clock Source -> SPDIF
Went through the whole menu of the ADI-2, could not find this. Maybe because of the way it's connected now?
Sorry, but it shouldn't be too hard to find it in the manual...
TheBlack wrote:14. Check / Configure the routing and some other parameters
I/O: Main Output 1/2 -> Settings ->
AD/DA Source -> SPDIF
Auto Ref Level -> ON
D/A Filter -> SD Sharp (this is the default or choose your preferred D/A filter)
I/O: Phones Out 3/4 -> Settings ->
AD/DA Source -> SPDIF
Auto Ref Level -> ON
D/A Filter -> SD Sharp (this is the default or choose your preferred D/A filter)
Went through the whole menu of the ADI-2, could not find this. Maybe because of the way it's connected now?
Sorry, but it shouldn't be too hard to find it in the manual...
TheBlack wrote:Signal Flow:
A) Windows OS and Applications not supporting ASIO:
- Windows Operating System has the RME Speaker Icon as default sound device (which is AN1/2)
In sound it states output as SPDIF/ADAT (1+2) (RME Babyface Pro). If I click on Sound Control Panel, currently Analag (3+4) RME Babyface Pro with a headphones icon is set as Default Communications Device, also SPDIF/ADAT (1+2) RME Babyface Pro is set as Default Device. Is this what you mean?
I meant what I wrote. I hope it was consistend in my configuration steps.
The default sound device for Windows is to AN1/2.
By this all audio from Windows and Applications show up in the middle row as SW Playback AN1/2.
Then you need to route this sound to ADAT OUT (AS1/2) so that it will be send to your ADI-2 Pro.
TheBlack wrote:- In TotalMix FX Audio to Software Playback device AN1/2 (middle row **) is being routed to HW Output AS1/2 (ADAT)
**) When playing sound (Youtube, etc) you should see audio there and at ADAT output
- Audio arrives at your ADI-2 Pro, you can check that in the display with the Global Level Meters
In TotalMix FX when playing Tidal the audio meter on AS 1/2 (middle row) and Main (right hand bottom) are moving. With Cubase it's AN 1/2 and Main. Also the lights on the Babyface Pro are not corresponding to the audio signal, but the graphic equaliser on the ADI-2 pro is working and providing sound. Windows has it set to SPDIF/ADAT (1+2) (RME Babyface Pro)
I do not know Tidal and whether it supports ASIO or not.
BTW ... what is the question here ?
TheBlack wrote:B) Applications supporting ASIO
- Send audio to AN 1/2, this is being send to the ADAT port to the ADI-2 Pro
You lost me on that statement
In the steps above
- you created windows compatible WDM device for AN1/2
- this you set in windows sound as default sound device
- by this all sound goes to that device
- in TM FX this audio signal appears in the middle row: SW Playback Channel AN1/2
In the steps above you also configured a TM FX routing
- in submix mode you clicked to the Output AS1/2
- This channels is now in the control room as "Main Out" (by the assign operation)
In TM FX you configured the routing/the submix for AS1/2 (aka Main out)
- to route audio from SW Playback Channel AN1/2 (channel for your Windows Default Sound device) to ADAT (ADI-2 Pro)
TheBlack wrote:I hope you can help me further. I'm a complete newbie at this and appreciate all the patience you possibly have with helping me.
I try my best but I can not fully cover here your objective to become acquainted with your new devices,
take some time, read manuals, try a little bit out .. experiment.
All the things that you have to do if you get new hardware.
You have now already a very nice step by step guide, now its your turn to fill it with life ...
TheBlack wrote:Also another quick question. Would it be possible for me to have Tidal playing music and not hear it, but have it route the sound directly to Cubase where I would be able to hear it?
Yes by using loopback, see manual.
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