Topic: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

My 12Mic-D keeps hanging on the startup screen. It started after using Dante Controller to change the ethernet ports to switched mode, though I'm not sure if that was the cause. Occasionally it starts up OK, but most of the time it hangs on the startup screen and the primary ethernet port light is on solid (not blinking). The last time it started up OK I updated the firmware to the latest version in the hope that would help, but at the next restart it was hanging again. Any ideas?

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Hi John!
You have firmware 1.3.3 flashed now, correct? Do you remember which firmware version the device has been on before that?
And with both firmwares it has been the same symptoms, i.e. sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't?
What about the boot animation on the level LEDs next to the XLRs, does it run or do they stay dark?
And can you do me a favor and, if the device is stuck, connect it to a PC and check if it somehow shows up in the device manager?
With this information we can narrow down possible causes. But a device that only occasionally does not boot - that's a first as far as I remember.
Thanks
Marc

3 (edited by johnc 2025-07-12 18:40:53)

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Hello Marc! Yes currently on 1.3.3. It was on 1.3.1 and happened then, but not right after updating to 1.3.1. The startup screen it stops on in the first one. White on black saying RME 12Mic and Dante logo. No XLR LEDs. Primary network Ethernet light on solid green, not flickering as when it’s working. Not recognised by computer either with Network or USB (though I don't have access to a PC, only Mac – it doesn't show up in system information on USB). It fails to boot almost all of the time.

It seemed to start after I used the Dante Controller to set the ethernet ports to switched mode, as described in the manual. It said I should reboot for it to take effect, and it didn't reboot properly, so I turned it off and back on a couple of times and it was fine for a couple of days, but since then has only booted properly twice despite many attempts. I'm on a job and it was a bit embarrassing having to switch to a portable recorder.

I hope you can help!

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

An update: it booted successfully again. Strangely it's saying it's on Firmware 1.3.0 even though I updated to 1.3.3 last time it booted successfully.

I there's anything I can try in the web interface while it's working, let me know!

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Try to update again and see if that helps...

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Just tried it. It said invalid swu file. So I re-downloaded the file and it accepted it the second time. Completed update and then said power cycle the 12Mic. I did that and now it's not working again.

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Then this is beginning to look like a rare hardware issue. If you can get it to boot again, check if it retained the update.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

And it now rebooted successfully and says firmware 1.3.3. But after restarting again it fails to boot.

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Can you test this with 12V power?

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

I had another successful reboot and it has retained the update.

Strangely, I've only had successful reboots in my hotel, not at the location where I'm recording. It boots about 30% of the time in my hotel, but not at all in the venue. Though I did test it the day before recording in the venue and it was OK then, so it has worked briefly in the venue.

11 (edited by johnc 2025-07-12 20:03:52)

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

RME Support wrote:

Can you test this with 12V power?

I don't have a suitable adapter at the moment, but could try it later if you think it would help diagnose the problem.

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Even if it fails to diagnose the problem, that's also informative...

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

RME Support wrote:

Even if it fails to diagnose the problem, that's also informative...

OK. Might be a few days before I can get a 12V supply. Any other ideas in the meantime would be welcome. Thanks for your help so far.

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Hi John,

I've had a couple of theories and tried them out with a development unit. Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce your issue. So Daniel might be right that this is a hardware problem. Where are you located?

Thanks
Marc

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

(you can also send me a private message if you don't want to disclose this information here)

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Thanks Marc – I'm in London. Thanks for looking into this! (I've also been in touch with Joost by email about possible repair.)

I'm thinking more about when it happened – it worked perfectly for over two years until I needed to change it to switched mode, which I did using Dante controller as described in the 12Mic-D manual. That's when the problems started. Are you able to use the 12Mic-D reliably in switched mode?

Thanks!

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Yes, switched mode is tested thoroughly with every firmware release, no issues so far.

But another thing comes to mind. When you've switched to switched mode, did you change your setup? Like, did you only use the primary port before and then both ports thereafter?

By the way, does it make a difference if you use the "Reboot" button in Dante controller, the encoder button to switch off/on or do a full power cycle without shutting down the unit first?

18 (edited by johnc 2025-07-15 00:04:58)

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Hi Marc,

Thanks so much for continuing to pursue this. I had not used the secondary port at all until I wanted to change to switched mode. When I changed to switched mode in Dante Controller, it said I needed to reboot. I used the reboot button in Dante Controller but it didn’t seem to work – this was the first time it got stuck on the boot screen. I turned it off with the rear switch, and it took a few times before it booted again. Then it was OK for a week or so, with the secondary port functioning perfectly in switched mode (with a Focusrite AM2 in the secondary port). So I thought it was just a temporary glitch, maybe from the change of setting.

I’m afraid I don’t remember if I already had the AM2 in the secondary port when I changed to switched mode. But I definitely had never used the secondary port before this.

Then after a week it again started getting stuck on the boot screen again, almost every time. The only times it has worked again since then have been with a complete power cycle with the rear switch, not with the front encoder.  And only about 2% of the time.

Thanks again for your continuing investigation!

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

Just a thought from an nonexperienced avb madi user, but sometimes great troubleshooter, have you tried booting with nothing connected? No network and no madi, or one of both

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Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

vinark wrote:

Just a thought from an nonexperienced avb madi user, but sometimes great troubleshooter, have you tried booting with nothing connected? No network and no madi, or one of both

Thanks Vincent, yes I have tried booting many times with nothing connected.

Re: 12Mic-D stuck on startup screen

RME Support wrote:

Can you test this with 12V power?

For the record, I was finally able to try this – no difference, still stuck on boot screen.