Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

Finfet wrote:

The choice of AD and DA chip matters a lot from a marketing perspective. I think it's still better use the newest flagship chips available, then optimize and tune the implementation around them. Although the mid-tier and older chips can achieve the goal perfectly.

Now, the question is what is the flagship chip. The label Pro may be just marketing label, not mark of flagshipness. And beside that. The model of interface will be produced for several years, new models of ADs and DAs will come meanwhile... So, even if RME has had choosen flagship chip now, it will not be the flagship one sooner or later. So, there is no marketing pull to use it now, if it is not technically feasible....

The result is important, not the chip used.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

Kubrak wrote:
Finfet wrote:

The choice of AD and DA chip matters a lot from a marketing perspective. I think it's still better use the newest flagship chips available, then optimize and tune the implementation around them. Although the mid-tier and older chips can achieve the goal perfectly.

Now, the question is what is the flagship chip. The label Pro may be just marketing label, not mark of flagshipness. And beside that. The model of interface will be produced for several years, new models of ADs and DAs will come meanwhile... So, even if RME has had choosen flagship chip now, it will not be the flagship one sooner or later. So, there is no marketing pull to use it now, if it is not technically feasible....

The result is important, not the chip used.

AKM and ESS update like 6 years? which is quite long in electronic world, and it's sure OK to use their last gen or sub-flagships, but not too old or too mid-tier. Call it high-end premium Hi-Fi and pro-audio gear, it deserves some better treat.

Again, it's only about marketing. I agree there's no actual need of those chips for any functionality reasons. I'm not going to argue about if it's actually good idea because it's just a imaginary marketing strategy that can't be testified.

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

If I'm allowed a personal/anecdotal comment here, I had a look inside one of the prototypes the other day, and these "flagship chips" (the actual DACs) are so tiny and hard to spot even within the comparatively small ADI... Almost seems odd to imagine that this little thing would actually be the most important part of what determines the "sound quality" of the whole device that's built around it... But that's just my little opinion... ;-)

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

Hi everyone,

I have a couple of questions regarding the upcoming RME ADI-2/4 Pro EX and would really appreciate some clarification:

1. Will it be possible to connect a Technics SL-1210 with Ortofon Concorde 10/20 directly to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX without using an external phono preamp?

2. Are any suitable adapters or cables included, or what would be the recommended way to connect the turntable’s RCA (Cinch) outputs to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX while maintaining signal quality?

3. Since the Technics SL-1210 has a relatively short built-in RCA cable, I would prefer placing the ADI-2/4 Pro EX a few meters away from the turntable. Would this be possible in some way?

4. Would it be possible to use a Neumann MA 1 measurement microphone with the ADI-2/4 Pro EX for room calibration? If so, since the MA 1 requires 48 V phantom power, would an external phantom power supply or microphone preamp be required, and if so, what would you recommend for accurate measurement use?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!

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Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

KaiS wrote:

Since Tidal has abandoned MQA the format’s importance is declining anyway.

That’s not entirely accurate. There are still MQA sources available on Tidal today - the same for Qobuz and Spotify.
What’s more, a new streaming service is being rolled out this year that will officially feature MQA sources once again: https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topi … nt-1332663

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

I'm excited for the ADI-2 Pro EX; It might be time for me to retire my trusty original 2016 ADI-2 Pro and upgrade smile It is a dream unit for Dialogue Editors like me who switch between listening to audio mastered to 0dB peaks and -8LUFS, film mixes at -2dBTP / -27LUFS, and editing subtle (poorly recorded breaths) at -60dB. The ADI-2 Pro's impeccable gain structure covers it all. The hardware EQ allows me to shape all of my different headphone's sounds, as well as some basic room correction EQ on my main speakers. It really is one of my professional secret weapons. I always shudder a little when I'm at a facility and end up cutting some tracks on (much) lesser interfaces. If the unit had native AES42 as an option on the AES3 input... imagine how good recordings at 192kHz from a Schoeps CDM42 with SteadyClock EX would be...

207 (edited by waedi 2026-06-07 06:09:07)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

simplej wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a couple of questions regarding the upcoming RME ADI-2/4 Pro EX and would really appreciate some clarification:

1. Will it be possible to connect a Technics SL-1210 with Ortofon Concorde 10/20 directly to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX without using an external phono preamp?

2. Are any suitable adapters or cables included, or what would be the recommended way to connect the turntable’s RCA (Cinch) outputs to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX while maintaining signal quality?

3. Since the Technics SL-1210 has a relatively short built-in RCA cable, I would prefer placing the ADI-2/4 Pro EX a few meters away from the turntable. Would this be possible in some way?

4. Would it be possible to use a Neumann MA 1 measurement microphone with the ADI-2/4 Pro EX for room calibration? If so, since the MA 1 requires 48 V phantom power, would an external phantom power supply or microphone preamp be required, and if so, what would you recommend for accurate measurement use?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!


1. There is no ADI-2/4 Pro EX and the new ADI-2 Pro Ex seems not to have Phono inputs loke the old ADI-2/4 Pro has.
But the user manual is not yet out so we don't know exactly.
The product details says analog line stereo I/O (the old ADI-2/4 Pro has Phono/Line stereo inputs)
From this my conclusion is , the new ADI-2 EX has no Phono input.

2. Any normal chinch to XLR cable would work.

3. With XLR cables no problem

4. For the measure mic indeed a preamp with phantom power is need. I would take any cheap one.


After all I have no mic pre to recommend, but I recommend to buy a UCX ll because it has room correction implemented in Totalmix and it has mic inputs with phantom power.
For the turntables use additional a Adi-2/4 Pro or a real Phono-preamp.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

208 (edited by KaiS 2026-06-07 10:41:31)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

simplej wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a couple of questions regarding the upcoming RME ADI-2/4 Pro EX and would really appreciate some clarification:

1. Will it be possible to connect a Technics SL-1210 with Ortofon Concorde 10/20 directly to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX without using an external phono preamp?

Yes, because that’s already possible with ADI 2/4 Pro SE.

simplej wrote:

2. Are any suitable adapters or cables included, or what would be the recommended way to connect the turntable’s RCA (Cinch) outputs to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX while maintaining signal quality?

All that’s needed are inexpensive RCA to TS adapters like these ones.
As long as they are of reasonable quality, read: make secure contact, they don’t have any influence on signal quality:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61trAyBJwiL._AC_SX679_.jpg

simplej wrote:

3. Since the Technics SL-1210 has a relatively short built-in RCA cable, I would prefer placing the ADI-2/4 Pro EX a few meters away from the turntable. Would this be possible in some way?

No, because turntable phone cords in general cannot be extended when MM-pickups are used.
A longer cable’s capacitance would disturb the tuned interaction between the MM-pickup and cable, leading to a treble cut and an upper midrange boost.

If you need a longer cable, the existing one needs to be replaced by an extra-low capacitance one.

simplej wrote:

4. Would it be possible to use a Neumann MA 1 measurement microphone with the ADI-2/4 Pro EX for room calibration? If so, since the MA 1 requires 48 V phantom power, would an external phantom power supply or microphone preamp be required, and if so, what would you recommend for accurate measurement use.

Yes, any reasonable P48-supply will do.
Pro-audio shops have these:

https://www.thomann.de/de/millenium_poc … svEALw_wcB

https://thumbs.static-thomann.de/thumb/padthumb600x600/pics/bdb/_37/378760/11272348_800.jpg

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

There is an upcoming 2/4 ex

waedi wrote:
simplej wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a couple of questions regarding the upcoming RME ADI-2/4 Pro EX and would really appreciate some clarification:

1. Will it be possible to connect a Technics SL-1210 with Ortofon Concorde 10/20 directly to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX without using an external phono preamp?

2. Are any suitable adapters or cables included, or what would be the recommended way to connect the turntable’s RCA (Cinch) outputs to the ADI-2/4 Pro EX while maintaining signal quality?

3. Since the Technics SL-1210 has a relatively short built-in RCA cable, I would prefer placing the ADI-2/4 Pro EX a few meters away from the turntable. Would this be possible in some way?

4. Would it be possible to use a Neumann MA 1 measurement microphone with the ADI-2/4 Pro EX for room calibration? If so, since the MA 1 requires 48 V phantom power, would an external phantom power supply or microphone preamp be required, and if so, what would you recommend for accurate measurement use?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!


1. There is no ADI-2/4 Pro EX and the new ADI-2 Pro Ex seems not to have Phono inputs loke the old ADI-2/4 Pro has.
But the user manual is not yet out so we don't know exactly.
The product details says analog line stereo I/O (the old ADI-2/4 Pro has Phono/Line stereo inputs)
From this my conclusion is , the new ADI-2 EX has no Phono input.

2. Any normal chinch to XLR cable would work.

3. With XLR cables no problem

4. For the measure mic indeed a preamp with phantom power is need. I would take any cheap one.


After all I have no mic pre to recommend, but I recommend to buy a UCX ll because it has room correction implemented in Totalmix and it has mic inputs with phantom power.
For the turntables use additional a Adi-2/4 Pro or a real Phono-preamp.

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Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

sthomas8389 wrote:

There is an upcoming 2/4 ex
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You may provide a link ?

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

waedi wrote:
sthomas8389 wrote:

There is an upcoming 2/4 ex
]

You may provide a link ?

https://www.musicnetwork.ch/en/latest-n … -ex-series

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Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

Thank you, very nice

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

waedi wrote:

Thank you, very nice

FYI, It was also confirmed here with additional commentary: https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 54#p252454

214 (edited by jmimac351 2026-06-09 03:06:50)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

MC wrote:

As was leaked the next 2/4 Pro EX will have a digital gain without RIAA option, extending the Ref Levels on Line input down to -35 dBu. In that setting SNR is still 90 dB - CD quality, no audible noise.

I used to own a few Ayre Acoustics preamps with "Variable Gain Transconductance" circuits that varied GAIN for volume attenuation, and maintained the same S/N performance at all levels - even low. 

The similar feature in the ADI-2 units I found to be very interesting (and desirable), and was a big reason why I wanted to try the units (besides my friend recommending I do). 

I did not use the RME ADI-2 DAC FS, or even the ADI-2/4 Pro SE I bought for quite some time.  Then, I put the ADI-2/4 Pro SE in to compare directly to my much more expensive KX-5 Twenty preamp I was using... and I decided to just stick with the ADI-2/4 Pro SE. 

Take that for whatever it's worth. 

The other thing that IS important to me about the ADI-2/4 Pro SE is the Voltage Output.  I am playing with boutique amps that have very simple gain stages... for low input gain.  There are a few designs that have No Input Gain Stage... they are just an output stage.  All of the gain is supplied by the preamp.

That's a long winded way of ask (and explaining why it's important)... what is the maximum Voltage Output for these new ADi-2 EX units?  They are mentioned as having "Increased Phones output power in unbalanced and balanced mode."

My interest would not be for headphone use... but providing big voltage swing to run low gain input amplifiers in home HiFi. 

And, by the way... if you every decided to put an ethernet plug in one of these and make it compatible with Qobuz Connect, Spotify Connect, etc... you might sell more of them that you can make. Even if you figured out a way to do it via the serial port dongle on the back, via USB-C... anything. You already know how to do software.  That would be a very compelling thing as a true, one box unit.

Thank you.

215 (edited by KaiS 2026-06-09 12:43:06)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

jmimac351 wrote:

... what is the maximum Voltage Output for these new ADi-2 EX units?  They are mentioned as having "Increased Phones output power in unbalanced and balanced mode."

My interest would not be for headphone use... but providing big voltage swing to run low gain input amplifiers in home HiFi.

The output voltage is linked to the internal supply voltage and the OP-amps used.

The existing “Pro”-designated ADI’s already maxes this out, so no change to be expect:
Balanced XLR: +26.5 dBu.
Impedance balanced and single ended (TRS): +21,5 dBu.

That’s really hot output, 16.4 and 9.2 Volt should be sufficient to drive almost anything.

216 (edited by jmimac351 2026-06-10 16:27:16)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

KaiS wrote:
jmimac351 wrote:

... what is the maximum Voltage Output for these new ADi-2 EX units?  They are mentioned as having "Increased Phones output power in unbalanced and balanced mode."

My interest would not be for headphone use... but providing big voltage swing to run low gain input amplifiers in home HiFi.

The output voltage is linked to the internal supply voltage and the OP-amps used.

The existing “Pro”-designated ADI’s already maxes this out, so no change to be expect:
Balanced XLR: +26.5 dBu.
Impedance balanced and single ended (TRS): +21,5 dBu.

That’s really hot output, 16.4 and 9.2 Volt should be sufficient to drive almost anything.

Thank you.  Although that is great output, the First Watt F4 needs 14.14V RMS single-ended per channel to reach max output.  The amp can be run Mono with BAL input, and also as a stereo unit with SE inputs... various configurations with different voltage needs.  It's a pretty unique thing that does require some special power to run it. 

Not a weakness of the RME here by any means... just a very different kind of use case here. 

A number of other amps I own have rather low input gain (by "normal" standards)... 8dB to 11dB.  The ADI 2/4 Pro SE has zero issues running any of that stuff. 

Very happy with it, and quite frankly, I'm glad to see the new unit doesn't make my 2/4 Pro SE "obsolete". 

However...  an Ethernet input would truly make any of these a Magic Box.  An Ethernet Input would make me spend money.

Immediately.

217 (edited by KaiS 2026-06-11 12:34:16)

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

I had a look into the First Watt F4’s manual, which even contains a complete schematic:

You can try to connect your ADI-2/4 and see if you ever max out its voltage, which is at +2.5 dB volume control with digital full-scale recorded music.

I suggest to activate ADI-2/4’s Auto Ref Level for best match.

You get 10 W @ 8 Ohm or 20 W @ 4 Ohm output at that position, that’s just 4 dB short of what the First Watt F4 can do.

One can see these 4 dB as headroom that helps the amp to deliver a clean signal, specially with demanding loads like multiway speakers with passive crossover.

Looking at the F4’s schematic, it’s a bit of a missed opportunity - with a tiny mod the F4 could have balanced inputs.
It’s all there already.

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

F4 balanced. The guys in the Pass Forum at diyaudio did just that:

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/thre … as.330789/

As well as many other things. Fun forum to follow along, espc. Zen Mod's endless creativity.

Re: ADI-2/4 Pro SE Discontinued?

KaiS wrote:

On ADI 2/4 Pro SE the RIAA function can be used for mics if an Anti-RIAA-EQ is applied in the input’s DSP.
I have set one, published it somewhere here in this forum (no time to seek ATM).

it was in response to a question of mine
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=38835

Cheers