Topic: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

With all the hype and "HiDPi" this and that - surrounding the new TM 2.x release - can anyone tell me why - when I take great pains to place the console on screen, size it, get it exactly how I want to look - and then enjoy that for a single day of work - when the computer is rebooted the next day - the entire layout collapses and appears in the dead (upper) center of my screen?

I have been unable to get this working in any capacity - regardless of what I do, what I save (workspaces) etc. The TM 2.x UI will simply not retain dimensions or positioning onscreen.

The only solution that does work - is switching back to the old design with the scale set to 200%

Running Windows 11 on a Samsung M7 (43 inch) 4K monitor at 3840x2160 @60hz with Windows Scaling at 175%

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Vocalpoint wrote:

With all the hype and "HiDPi" this and that - surrounding the new TM 2.x release - can anyone tell me why - when I take great pains to place the console on screen, size it, get it exactly how I want to look - and then enjoy that for a single day of work - when the computer is rebooted the next day - the entire layout collapses and appears in the dead (upper) center of my screen?

I have been unable to get this working in any capacity - regardless of what I do, what I save (workspaces) etc. The TM 2.x UI will simply not retain dimensions or positioning onscreen.

The only solution that does work - is switching back to the old design with the scale set to 200%

Running Windows 11 on a Samsung M7 (43 inch) 4K monitor at 3840x2160 @60hz with Windows Scaling at 175%

VP

Can't confirm. Here on the MacbookAir it stays how it is made by me. I can size the window and zoom in shut down Totalmix and reopen it, the place and size is recalled and works.

Your Samsungs graphic card is probably the culprit. Did you check for graphics card driver updates ?

M1-GoldenGate, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

waedi wrote:

Can't confirm. Here on the MacbookAir it stays how it is made by me. I can size the window and zoom in shut down Totalmix and reopen it, the place and size is recalled and works.

Your Samsungs graphic card is probably the culprit. Did you check for graphics card driver updates ?

There is no graphics card here - just the iGPU that is part of the CPU.

And - out of all of my usual apps - this is the only one that behaves this way - since switching to this new 4K monitor

What is even more strange that that the "old" TM (v1) stays right where I left it - day in and day out.

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

The issue appears after computer reboot.
How is it when you shut down Totalmix and re-open it ?

M1-GoldenGate, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

5 (edited by Vocalpoint 2026-09-15 18:58:20)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

waedi wrote:

The issue appears after computer reboot.
How is it when you shut down Totalmix and re-open it ?

All good - if I open it, size it, do my thing, close it and then hit the tray icon again later.

But when the machine wakes from a sleep state at 5:10am, does it's standard reboot cycle at 5:20am and then I go to open the tray app - at say 8:30am - TM 2.x is resized to as small as it can be - and is sitting right in the (slight) upper middle of the screen.

Wish I could post a screencap to illustrate.

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

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M1-GoldenGate, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

There is some kind of problems on Win with scaling, not only, but mainly after restart. There was a discussion about it quite recently on this forum.

If I remember correctly, the main problem is if one uses TM in fullscreen mode. And makes TM smaller than size of screen. And maybe there is also problem if one uses percent scaling from the menu.

I use TM that is not in fullscreen mode and there is no problem after restart. And I have no scale set using Window/Set Scale To.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

8 (edited by Vocalpoint 2026-09-15 20:31:26)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Kubrak wrote:

There is some kind of problems on Win with scaling, not only, but mainly after restart. There was a discussion about it quite recently on this forum.

If I remember correctly, the main problem is if one uses TM in fullscreen mode. And makes TM smaller than size of screen. And maybe there is also problem if one uses percent scaling from the menu.

I use TM that is not in fullscreen mode and there is no problem after restart. And I have no scale set using Window/Set Scale To.

Yeah - I am not using TM in fullscreen.

And if I leave Window->Set Scale to-100% - at this resolution - the TM 2.x window is microscopic.

I did however - switch BACK to the new version, set the scale to 100% - watch TM 2 go super small again - and then grab the lower right hand corner of the UI and "size" it into a viewable state

However...the scaling on the TM 2 UI appears unfinished. When I drag the UI to make it bigger - the channel strips themselves DO scale nicely in relation to UI size desired (by the right hand corner drag) - but all the additional options on the right side of the UI (Options, Snapshots, Groups, Recorder etc) do not scale at all - and remain super tiny as they sit there flanking the now much larger (nicely scaled) channel strips.

Whoever designed this to be "scalable" - did not consider the whole picture when they did it. A truly "scalable" UI - should scale everything within the UI when the right hand corner is dragged in a typical sizing/scaling scenario

If I am missing something here - I happy to correct it.

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

No, I guess, you should not use Set Scale to at all.

And the right side panel has its own scaling. Yes it is unusual, but IMHO handy. I like it. IMHO the idea behind it is, that it has variable height (several expandable parts), so using individual scale one may adjust height to taste. Otherwise, it might be too small or scrollbar would be needed. None of that would be ideal.

To change the size use Ctrl+mouse wheel.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Kubrak wrote:

No, I guess, you should not use Set Scale to at all.

To change the size use Ctrl+mouse wheel.

Wow. Cool. Thank you!

VP

11 (edited by Vocalpoint 2026-09-16 15:03:42)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Just tested this again - same behavior.

The TM 2.x UI appears compressed down as far as it can be when scaled down and is placed  at the (upper) midscreen again at first start.

I immediately switched back to the old 1.9.1 UI and restarted the machine again - the old version stays right where I left it and exactly how I scaled it (Window->Set Scale To->200%)

Will stick with this until I am aware of a better option with TM 2.x in a future update.

Cheers

VP

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Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Vocalpoint wrote:

With all the hype and "HiDPi" this and that - surrounding the new TM 2.x release - can anyone tell me why - when I take great pains to place the console on screen, size it, get it exactly how I want to look - and then enjoy that for a single day of work - when the computer is rebooted the next day - the entire layout collapses and appears in the dead (upper) center of my screen?

I have been unable to get this working in any capacity - regardless of what I do, what I save (workspaces) etc. The TM 2.x UI will simply not retain dimensions or positioning onscreen.

The only solution that does work - is switching back to the old design with the scale set to 200%

Running Windows 11 on a Samsung M7 (43 inch) 4K monitor at 3840x2160 @60hz with Windows Scaling at 175%

VP

And you did try the latest 2.1 beta b6? https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=43485

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

13 (edited by Vocalpoint 2026-09-16 15:17:33)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

MC wrote:

And you did try the latest 2.1 beta b6? https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=43485

I am aware of it but do not run beta software in my production studio.

And this:

Windows only: beta 6 has some more window size related improvements, plus GlobalOSC changes

Looks very promising.

I will be sure to jump on it as soon as it goes general release.

Cheers

VP

14 (edited by ramses 2026-09-16 16:42:11)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

TotalMix FX is not in the signal chain.
It will load your workspace reliably.
You do not need to install it.
Make a backup of your TM FX files in your user profile to be on the very safe side.
Then quit your release version and start the new TM FX binary to "test drive".

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Vocalpoint wrote:

Just tested this again - same behavior.

The TM 2.x UI appears compressed down as far as it can be when scaled down and is placed  at the (upper) midscreen again at first start.

Current beta has several improvements in this regard.... But even current release version has worked me fine, when I have used it. But NO maximized window (I mean that icon in the upper right corner must not indicate fullscreen state of window - regardeless how big it actually is). And NO scaling (using the menu) is used, not only now, but also before. IMHO, since it is used at least once (for example for old interface), things may go strange way....

But, I cannot tell you how to revert effect of using Scale To... . Maybe reset TM, maybe reinstall it.... Maybe removing certain file might do. Ramses would know.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

ramses wrote:

TotalMix FX is not in the signal chain.
It will load your workspace reliably.
You do not need to install it.
Make a backup of your TM FX files in your user profile to be on the very safe side.
Then quit your release version and start the new TM FX binary to "test drive".

Totally understood - but I am not in "test" mode on this specific workstation.

If/when TM 2.1 becomes available - I will install and see what it does for me at that time.

For right now - I need TM (regardless of version) to behave and appear on screen - exactly where I need it appear. With no oddball scaling issues or any additional wasted time reconfiguring it each time I decide to open it.

V1.9.1 is behaving perfectly and does everything I need it to do.

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Kubrak wrote:

Current beta has several improvements in this regard.... But even current release version has worked me fine, when I have used it.

Without full knowledge of your OS and especially your display device, it's resolution and your exact Windows OS scaling ratio (if anything but 100%) - it is hard for us to compare notes.

But I can tell you if you are not using 4K resolution or are running standard HD - you will probably never see any issues.

VP

18 (edited by Kubrak 2026-09-16 18:05:14)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

I have 2560 x 1440 (Win scaling 150%) and sometimes dual screen or even triple screen. And on second computer widescreen 34" (not sure what Win scaling used, but for sure not 100%), it might be 4k one. Win10 on one computer and Win11 on another.

Sure, if it does not work for you, or you do not want to invest time, 1.9.1 is just fine.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

19 (edited by Vocalpoint 2026-09-16 18:12:00)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Kubrak wrote:

I have 2560 x 1440 (Win scaling 150%) and sometimes dual screen or even triple screen. And on second computer widescreen 34" (not sure what Win scaling used, but for sure not 100%), it might be 4k one. Win10 on one computer and Win11 on another.

Sure, if it does not work for you, or you do not want to invest time, 1.9.1 is just fine.

As I suspected - your screen res is a very common offshoot of Standard HD - which is QuadHD. No surprise that your screen works fine.

If I had my old Standard HD screen still in play - I would probably have no issues either.

You would need to move up to my resolution (4K Samsung M7 monitor at 3840x2160 @60hz with Windows Scaling at 175%) to compare apples to apples here.

And trust me - I do not ever have a need to post unless there is a legit issue. My RME stuff has been like gold for years.

VP

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Well, why do you think, the resolution and Win scaling (150% vs. 175%) matters?

If I use maximized window and/or apply Set Scale To, TM interface behaves very strange even without reboot, on my monitor...

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

Kubrak wrote:

Well, why do you think, the resolution and Win scaling (150% vs. 175%) matters?

If I use maximized window and/or apply Set Scale To, TM interface behaves very strange even without reboot, on my monitor...

I do not know what is going on. But it does have something to do with ratio.

And the fact that 2.1 Beta 7 or 8 or 9 or whatever it is on now - is constantly being tweaked to deal with these scaling issues.

150% is a tad too tiny for my old eyes while 175% is ideal.

Pretty sure RME will figure this out and they had better since the hype around this whole "new" version started with HiDPi scaling ability. Very ironic that it appears that is the one thing that is causing issues now smile

VP

22 (edited by ramses 2026-09-17 13:44:20)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

As a workaround, I would suggest saving your workspace to a "Workspace Quick Select" slot, e.g., Slot 1. Then you can restore the TM FX workspace (including proper GUI size and position) at any time using the key combination ALT-1 (or Option-1 on the Mac).

TM FX offers 30 such slots for quick changing or restoring. The first nine are quickly accessible by key combinations: ALT-1 .. ALT-9.

I frequently use it when trying something out for myself or for the forum. With this functionality, I am reliably back to my old state in less than a second.

Regarding your issue – technical background

I was also struggling with a similar effect since I migrated from an Eizo FlexScan EV2457 (24", 1920x1200, 16:10, connected via DisplayPort) to an MSI MPG 322URXDE OLED monitor (32", 3840x2160, Windows scaling 150%, connected via HDMI).
I use HDMI 2.1 because my NVIDIA RTX 4070 only offers DisplayPort 1.4, which has considerably less bandwidth than HDMI 2.1.
4K at 240 Hz requires DSC (Display Stream Compression) on both, but a higher compression ratio on DP 1.4.

Something causes not only the TotalMix FX window but also other open applications to shrink and move to the top left corner of the screen. I am not 100% sure, but it seems to be related to the monitor entering a sleep or standby state and thereby apparently disconnecting from the computer.

The fact that other applications are affected as well indicates that, at least in my case, the root cause is not TotalMix FX itself.

An AI-assisted analysis (Claude) came to the following conclusions, which match my observations:

The symptom "window suddenly tiny and in the top left corner" best fits a scenario in which the monitor briefly disappears from Windows' perspective (hot-plug detection event, HPD).

If the monitor goes into standby mode, Windows switches off the display, or the signal drops, some monitors report a disconnection via the HPD line. Windows then removes the display from the display topology, moves the windows to the remaining (virtual) area, and shrinks them in the process. When the monitor comes back on, the windows remain there.

Microsoft has officially acknowledged the issue, called "Rapid HPD" (DirectX Developer Blog, April 2021: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/ … rangement/). The mitigation was introduced with Insider Build 21287, but according to Microsoft, it requires at least two external monitors on desktops. So it does not help with a single-monitor setup.

A user comment below that blog post describes exactly this problem: a 4K TV was connected via HDMI as the primary display to a Windows 10 system. After several hours with the TV switched off, the windows were stacked in the top-left corner.

Why TotalMix FX is affected (possibly often) can only be speculated upon:

TM FX runs permanently in the system tray and is therefore always open when such an event occurs.
The new interface zooms depending on the DPI and has a minimum size.
The window geometry is saved in the TM FX config file (e.g. "last.BabyfacePro1.xml"), so an incorrect state persists even after a restart.

Your case also fits the pattern: the computer restarts at 5:20 AM while the monitor is in standby mode. TM FX then might start without an active display.

For me the situation became much better after changing the following settings on my new 32" OLED monitor.
I recommend changing them one at a time to see which one makes the difference.
The menu names are MSI's; other manufacturers use different names (Samsung, for example, calls CEC "Anynet+").

1. Turn "Auto Scan" OFF

With Auto Scan ON, the monitor searches other inputs for an active signal as soon as none is present at the selected input.

When Windows turns off the display, the signal disappears, and the monitor starts scanning the other inputs. This can lead to the following: the currently used HDMI input is temporarily deselected, and many monitors deassert HPD on an input that is not selected. Windows then detects a disconnection. Upon waking, the monitor may also need longer to lock onto the HDMI signal again. During this time, Windows may already be processing a changed display topology.

With Auto Scan OFF, the monitor remains on the selected input and waits. This has no disadvantage when using only one source. The only consequence is that if you switch to another input for testing, e.g., DisplayPort, the input must be changed manually.

2. If this doesn't help, disable HDMI CEC

CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) is a control bus in the HDMI specification with its own dedicated line. Devices use it to switch each other on and off or to change inputs. It is mainly intended for TVs, consoles, and AV receivers. GeForce cards reportedly do not support it, so disabling it costs nothing on a typical PC setup.

3. If this doesn't help either, set the monitor's power button to "Standby"

According to my MSI monitor's manual, the button switches off the monitor completely in OFF mode, and only the panel and backlight in Standby mode. This setting only matters when the monitor is switched off with its own power button, not when Windows turns off the display.

OFF: The monitor electronics are likely largely switched off. Typically, the HPD signal disappears, Windows registers a disconnection, and windows can be moved and resized.

Standby: The electronics likely remain active. The graphics card continues to transmit; the monitor simply turns off the panel. If HPD remains active, Windows won't notice anything, and the windows will remain unchanged.

Standby is therefore the more favorable setting for this problem.

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

23 (edited by Kubrak 2026-09-17 10:20:18)

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

OK, so it seems to be different issue, then what was (maybe still is, I haven´t tested last beta for certain UI scaling misbehaviourals of previous versions) in previous versions.

More like OS related, than app related. And not related to scaling factor used in Windows.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Why does TM v2 - open on screen wherever it likes all the time?

ramses wrote:

1. Turn "Auto Scan" OFF

With Auto Scan ON, the monitor searches other inputs for an active signal as soon as none is present at the selected input.

When Windows turns off the display, the signal disappears, and the monitor starts scanning the other inputs. This can lead to the following: the currently used HDMI input is temporarily deselected, and many monitors deassert HPD on an input that is not selected. Windows then detects a disconnection. Upon waking, the monitor may also need longer to lock onto the HDMI signal again. During this time, Windows may already be processing a changed display topology.

With Auto Scan OFF, the monitor remains on the selected input and waits. This has no disadvantage when using only one source. The only consequence is that if you switch to another input for testing, e.g., DisplayPort, the input must be changed manually.

2. If this doesn't help, disable HDMI CEC

CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) is a control bus in the HDMI specification with its own dedicated line. Devices use it to switch each other on and off or to change inputs. It is mainly intended for TVs, consoles, and AV receivers. GeForce cards reportedly do not support it, so disabling it costs nothing on a typical PC setup.

3. If this doesn't help either, set the monitor's power button to "Standby"

According to my MSI monitor's manual, the button switches off the monitor completely in OFF mode, and only the panel and backlight in Standby mode. This setting only matters when the monitor is switched off with its own power button, not when Windows turns off the display.

OFF: The monitor electronics are likely largely switched off. Typically, the HPD signal disappears, Windows registers a disconnection, and windows can be moved and resized.

Standby: The electronics likely remain active. The graphics card continues to transmit; the monitor simply turns off the panel. If HPD remains active, Windows won't notice anything, and the windows will remain unchanged.

Standby is therefore the more favorable setting for this problem.


Checked all three of these options - do not have #1 - but the device is hard set to PC Input. #2 is there - but is one of the first things that is off. And #3 does not exist for this device.

Will wait patiently for the "official" release of TM 2.1

VP