1 (edited by deliad 2020-03-12 09:18:32)

Topic: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Hi
Question before buying...please help


Someone here works with UFX+ / HDSPe AIO on ASRock Creator X570?

I don't need UFX+ Inputs and pres, i just want STABLE and super low latency interface, I wanted to buy HDSPe AIO, but i heard it has Noises and problems and its old

Also dawbench chart shows that UFX+ has better LLP than HDSPE AIO.

Someone can confirm if the UFX+ works good and at Low latency 64 samples @44100 and below 5ms total latency in NI Kontakt Standalone? No Dropouts, Clicks/pops?

Works In WDM Too?

Thanks

2 (edited by ramses 2020-01-18 21:10:55)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

UFX+ is a very good and reliable recording interface.

USB RTL are compareable to PCI / PCIe:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/index.php/Attachment/2343-UFX-UFX-RayDAT-Latencies-v2-jpg/

Overview:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … 8-RME-UFX/

MADI is very useful:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … Cber-MADI/

Features are outstanding:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … -DURec-DE/
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … arren-Rig/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Thanks but its general info

I want response from / based on x570 Amd user experience

Because i'm afraid i will have compatibility issues after purchase it on My AMD Ryzen 3950x & ASRock X570 Creator Motherboard

Please answer me on that

4 (edited by ramses 2020-01-19 02:05:24)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

deliad wrote:

Thanks but its general info

Hmmm, general ? The RTL values in the screenshot of my excel are specific information about RTL
at different ASIO buffersizes of different RME products, UFX+, UFX, RayDAT, ...

You will notice that the RTL (in+out) of the UFX+ using USB3 with an ASIO buffersize of 64 samples
at 44.1 kHz is (very specific) below 5ms. Its on par with thunderbolt, PCIe ...

Compatibility for your mainboard I can't promise.
Talk to a dealer, usually you have 14-30 days time to send back if there is an issue.

I think 4ms is a very well basement, try it out.

In terms of performance, well see here: https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … cks-de-en/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

I have the creator and 3950x, using it with a UFXII. I still use the extra USB card with the recommended chipset (forgot which one), because I have many USB devices, it wasn't working with really low latencies (64) for fuller projects (Ableton). So as this was tested, I continue to use it with great success. Very happy with the performance. (projects which didn't even run crackle free at 2048 on my old 4790, now run at a third of Live's performance meter at 64 samples.
One caveat with that board for me is RAM timing, took me ages just to get to 3333MHZ CL16 timing

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Please check what PCI EXPRESS USB card do you have i sent you in a private message my WhatsApp Number and the facebook

I will tell you how to know what card exactly do you have, i want to buy the same

Thanks

markus.schloesser wrote:

I have the creator and 3950x, using it with a UFXII. I still use the extra USB card with the recommended chipset (forgot which one), because I have many USB devices, it wasn't working with really low latencies (64) for fuller projects (Ableton). So as this was tested, I continue to use it with great success. Very happy with the performance. (projects which didn't even run crackle free at 2048 on my old 4790, now run at a third of Live's performance meter at 64 samples.
One caveat with that board for me is RAM timing, took me ages just to get to 3333MHZ CL16 timing

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 PCIe Card (4 controllers, 4 ports) (USB3-PRO-4PM-E)

8 (edited by ramses 2020-02-17 20:55:48)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

markus.schloesser wrote:

Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 PCIe Card (4 controllers, 4 ports) (USB3-PRO-4PM-E)

The card with the 4x FL1100 chips is sadly not available anymore.

If you are lucky you get the non Pro version of the card with only 1 FL1100 chip shared between the 4 ports:
Sonnet Allegro 4-Port, 4x USB-A 3.0, PCIe 2.0 x1 (USB3-4PM-E)
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/son … 48037.html

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

markus.schloesser wrote:

Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 PCIe Card (4 controllers, 4 ports) (USB3-PRO-4PM-E)


Hi

Its deliad from RME Forum Regarding X570 Creator, UFX Plus and the Sonnet Card

I'm really considering to buy the card after i spent alot on cards that wasn't supported and did alot of crackles / pops

I MUST WORK STABLE LIVE AT LOW LATENCY 64 minimum

Have you ever had any problem  / cracks / pops during working?

Do you have WhatsApp / Telegram or any instant messaging app that we can chat, i have couple of questions for you,.please,  its so important to me, i spent a lot of money looking for something that really working stable, i dont want to make mistakes again...

Thanks,
Eliad

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Dear Eliad,
First of all let me start by saying that one way of contacting me is absolutely sufficient and enough, so if you would be so kind as to refrain from contacting me on multiple other channels as well that would be great. having said that, the card for me is absolutely stable, but of course if a PC is under stress or overloaded there will be pops and crackles but this cannot be helped and it's the nature of the system. but the card for me has been very stable. it's not a specific card it's more about the chip set that's on the cards and of course other factors need to be calculated in, such as the rest of your PC hardware and of course how you have your system configured.
Best regards, Markus

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

markus.schloesser wrote:

Dear Eliad,
First of all let me start by saying that one way of contacting me is absolutely sufficient and enough, so if you would be so kind as to refrain from contacting me on multiple other channels as well that would be great. having said that, the card for me is absolutely stable, but of course if a PC is under stress or overloaded there will be pops and crackles but this cannot be helped and it's the nature of the system. but the card for me has been very stable. it's not a specific card it's more about the chip set that's on the cards and of course other factors need to be calculated in, such as the rest of your PC hardware and of course how you have your system configured.
Best regards, Markus

First Thanks Im sorry for disturbing you markus,
But i'm in the middle of moving to my new studio and i sold my problematic motu interface , now i don't have an audio interface to work with...

I know we have the same motherboard ,Thats why i'm so in-pressure about it , i don't want to loose money and buy ufx and to still have problem to using it and get it to work under my x570 ASROCK Creator Motherboard and my 3950x cpu.

Thats why your opinion is so important to me.

I'm not talking about Crackles and pops on CPU Overload

I'm talking about Problems that can occur because of the Motherboard / RME Hardware / Software Compatibility to the X570 Creator?

Can you confirm that on 64@44100 the UFX is stable?
Ofcouse when i will get FL1100 Card

No usb Dropouts / CRC / Errors / Crackles / Pops / Weird problems when CPU Load is ok?

Please try to understand why im pushing to more clarified answer, Buying UFX is not cheap to deal with problems later

Thanks

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

Yes, my system is stable at 64 samples with the ufx II, I have disabled wifi, HD audio in the device manager (don't know if it makes a difference, I always do that). But my experience is that rme is always stable as long as you don't use completely crazy /incompatible hw.
FYI I'm on win 1909, nothing tweaked (cos that's bs), only high power plan for when the daw (ableton) is running

13 (edited by ramses 2020-03-12 07:42:52)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

deliad wrote:

[...]
I know we have the same motherboard ,Thats why i'm so in-pressure about it , i don't want to loose money and buy ufx and to still have problem to using it and get it to work under my x570 ASROCK Creator Motherboard and my 3950x cpu.
[...]
Can you confirm that on 64@44100 the UFX is stable?
[...]
Please try to understand why im pushing to more clarified answer, Buying UFX is not cheap to deal with problems later

Hi deliad. Is it an UFX+ like you tell in the subject of this thread or is it the older flagship model UFX like you write in the text?

Please note these are different recording interfaces with even different USB ASIO drivers.

May I suggest that you contact PC builders that specialized on building turnkey systems for audio?
It can be the case that a certain mainboard or hardware combination is simply not ideal for audio and
RME can't do nothing to solve this.

If you do not get it resolved by yourself and if you have special low latency requirements that it has to run with even a low amount of 64 samples ASIO buffers, then I would strongly suggest to contact such companies to get consultancy, whether your requirements are realistic and to get a turnkey system for this purpose.

It also depends on the system load, you can't simply state "I want to work with a setting of 64 samples ASIO buffers" if the surrounding conditions (load of the PC, selection of components) maybe do not allow for this.

And if you ask here in the forum its difficult to support it, because only few people will have exactly the same hardware composition as you have in your machine. Same applies to versions and settings of BIOS and drivers and especially in terms of system load (CPU, i/o).

I am really sorry, but the general PC tuning tips you might know already, you might also have got the sonnet card and you might also know that you can either use Win10 drivers for the Sonnet card or maybe more up to date drivers directly from fractal logic. You might maybe also know, that Win10 has limitations compared to Win7, that its not possible to priotize more than 32 threads with MMCSS (-> whats your core/thread count of your CPU ?). If this is not manageable anymore by yourself or a "remote support" of a forum, you should get the tested hardware of such a PC specialist for audio.

A well known company with very good reputation is Xi Machines:
http://xi-machines.com/de/systeme-audio.php

They offer a broad mix of HW up to Xeon builds.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

14 (edited by deliad 2020-03-12 09:17:50)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

ramses wrote:
deliad wrote:

[...]
I know we have the same motherboard ,Thats why i'm so in-pressure about it , i don't want to loose money and buy ufx and to still have problem to using it and get it to work under my x570 ASROCK Creator Motherboard and my 3950x cpu.
[...]
Can you confirm that on 64@44100 the UFX is stable?
[...]
Please try to understand why im pushing to more clarified answer, Buying UFX is not cheap to deal with problems later

Hi deliad. Is it an UFX+ like you tell in the subject of this thread or is it the older flagship model UFX like you write in the text?

Please note these are different recording interfaces with even different USB ASIO drivers.

May I suggest that you contact PC builders that specialized on building turnkey systems for audio?
It can be the case that a certain mainboard or hardware combination is simply not ideal for audio and
RME can't do nothing to solve this.

If you do not get it resolved by yourself and if you have special low latency requirements that it has to run with even a low amount of 64 samples ASIO buffers, then I would strongly suggest to contact such companies to get consultancy, whether your requirements are realistic and to get a turnkey system for this purpose.

It also depends on the system load, you can't simply state "I want to work with a setting of 64 samples ASIO buffers" if the surrounding conditions (load of the PC, selection of components) maybe do not allow for this.

And if you ask here in the forum its difficult to support it, because only few people will have exactly the same hardware composition as you have in your machine. Same applies to versions and settings of BIOS and drivers and especially in terms of system load (CPU, i/o).

I am really sorry, but the general PC tuning tips you might know already, you might also have got the sonnet card and you might also know that you can either use Win10 drivers for the Sonnet card or maybe more up to date drivers directly from fractal logic. You might maybe also know, that Win10 has limitations compared to Win7, that its not possible to priotize more than 32 threads with MMCSS (-> whats your core/thread count of your CPU ?). If this is not manageable anymore by yourself or a "remote support" of a forum, you should get the tested hardware of such a PC specialist for audio.

A well known company with very good reputation is Xi Machines:
http://xi-machines.com/de/systeme-audio.php

They offer a broad mix of HW up to Xeon builds.

Hi

Thanks for your detailed post

Yes i'm talking about ufx plus.

1. i want to use it with the sonnet usb 3.0 fresco logic fl1100 that suggested on the ufx+ manual and connect it to the first / second PCI-E slot (that connected directly to the cpu)

2. Yes, i already got WIN7 working on my ASRock X570 Creator, just don't have the ufx and the fl1100 card to try..

3. I know about MMCSS limitations,  but i'm not over 32 threads in total my ryzen 3950x is 16 core 32 threads

4. I'm also System Administrator and Developer in my proffesion so i do the tweaks by myself.

but all the problems and compatibility stuff are something of Trial and error...
And because of it i'm looking for experienced users to resoond and share the info like you

15 (edited by deliad 2020-03-16 00:53:31)

Re: UFX+ and AMD ASRock X570 Creator (or other) Compatibility & Stability?

markus.schloesser wrote:

Yes, my system is stable at 64 samples with the ufx II, I have disabled wifi, HD audio in the device manager (don't know if it makes a difference, I always do that). But my experience is that rme is always stable as long as you don't use completely crazy /incompatible hw.
FYI I'm on win 1909, nothing tweaked (cos that's bs), only high power plan for when the daw (ableton) is running


Hey markus,

Did you installed your sonnet card on PCI-E Slot 1/2 of the ASRock X570 Creator?

Can you test your system with RTL utility and measure the Latency you get without Crackles and pops?

And post the results screenshot here?

https://oblique-audio.com/rtl-utility.php