Topic: Volume Fader

Hi i know that there isn't any specific number

but i wonder what its the average Volume you work with monitors on TotalMix FX

I have RME UCX II and Adam TV7 and its was arounf -35dB and now its around -30dB i dont know what change and if its matter and i know that i have over more 30dB if i want but i feel the fader is too High to hear good

im on +13dB Level and i wonder why not to put +19
like loud and more headroom is not better? why are you prefer +13dB or + 4db?

thx!

Re: Volume Fader

The connected hardware can be some studio gear that works better with output level +4dB or +13dB.
In you case it is loudspeakers.
It is up to you. Select +19 and if it is distorting then select a lower level.

In most cases with active monitors +13 is fine.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

3 (edited by roy75342 2025-01-10 14:34:44)

Re: Volume Fader

waedi wrote:

The connected hardware can be some studio gear that works better with output level +4dB or +13dB.
In you case it is loudspeakers.
It is up to you. Select +19 and if it is distorting then select a lower level.

In most cases with active monitors +13 is fine.

But for example what is different to be +13 and -30dB on the fader or +19 abnd -36dB n the fader
its not the same just with more headroom?

4 (edited by waedi 2025-01-10 19:22:15)

Re: Volume Fader

Double-click the fader let it jump to the zero position, music at full without reduction.
This is often used. Then the reference level setting is the lifesaver.

No need to worry about as you use the fader to level.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Volume Fader

Hello

I never modify the Main fader, it is always at 0db and +4 but using a physical monitor controller, usually at -30db and speakers at maximum. This configuration avoids me the relativity, therefore doubts, about the levels to use and I only focus on the inputs via TotaMix. Just my way :-)

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Re: Volume Fader

waedi wrote:

Double-click the fader let it jump to the zero position, music at full without reduction.
This is often used. Then the reference level setting is the lifesaver.

No need to worry about as you use the fader to level.


im sorry i dont understand what you saying here

zerop postion is way to loud for me

7 (edited by waedi 2025-01-18 22:06:06)

Re: Volume Fader

You may change up the reference level or keep the fader low. The result shall be the same, music at a level you like.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

8 (edited by ramses 2025-01-18 22:18:53)

Re: Volume Fader

roy75342 wrote:

[...]
zerop postion is way to loud for me

Solve the level mismatch.
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=25399

Expensive (but nice) solution, integrate one of the reference converters - e.g. ADI-2 Pro FS R BE - into the setup.
Then you can leave the output fader at 0dB.
The reference converter remembers the volume.
Has also nice features of ramp-up of volume if you plug phones or switch between active monitors and phones.

Integration of reference converter into your setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

Differences between reference converters:
- https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=32506
- https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … ses-EN-DE/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: Volume Fader

ramses wrote:
roy75342 wrote:

[...]
zerop postion is way to loud for me

Solve the level mismatch.
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=25399

Expensive (but nice) solution, integrate one of the reference converters - e.g. ADI-2 Pro FS R BE - into the setup.
Then you can leave the output fader at 0dB.
The reference converter remembers the volume.
Has also nice features of ramp-up of volume if you plug phones or switch between active monitors and phones.

Integration of reference converter into your setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

Differences between reference converters:
- https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=32506
- https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … ses-EN-DE/


look i dont know if iam stupid that i dont understand nothing or you dont understand me

i just said that when for example when i hear song on youtube my UCX II is on -30db and +13dBu
of course i cant put it on zero cause +30db to what i hear right now will kill my ears
im just trying to understand why there more option like +4 or +19
what it give me to change?

i believe any moitor cant handle with sound at zero cause its too loud so why we need more gain or less gain from these buttons?

does it matter if ill be -30db and +13dbu?
or make it lower like -36db but ill change to +19dbu?

i understand its not exactly the same thing db and dBu
but not exacatly the different

At the end im just simple producer who want to bring is equipment to maximum effect with minimum work
so im tryuing to understand in my ears what is the different and i cant find one

10 (edited by ramses 2025-01-24 14:52:23)

Re: Volume Fader

A reference level on analog inputs is the sensitivity of the input.
For devices with lower output volume you need to raise the sensitivity.
When connecting Studio devices with hotter studio levels you need to make the inputs more insensitive to have enough headroom not to overload the inputs.

With analog outputs it is similar, but here it is not the sensitivity of the input it is the signal strength/volume on line level.
When connecting external devices like FX, you need to look to get the right reference level not to overload the inputs on the other side with a too hot signal.
In this case it is not a FX it is an active monitor.
Here you need to choose most likely the reference level with the lowest output volume so that it does not become too loud.
So why you choose +13 or +19 on the outputs towards your monitors?
It will most likely become way too loud, choose the lowest instead.
The benefit is
a) that you do not need to turn the output fader too low, which reduces dynamic/SNR
b) it is not so loud

Ideal is, when you get at fader position around 0dB the volume that you want to use as your maximum volume.

So ... use the
- reference level with the lowest volume on your analog output of your recording interface
  (ref level selection in TM FX behind the wrench symbol)
- lowest sensitivity on the analog inputs of your active monitors, some have volume knobs for it

If 0 dB on the output fader is still much too loud, then you should solve the "level mismatch" as I told you by
- using a switchable attenuator (see forum link, posting from MC) or
- an analog monitor controller / volume knob or
-  by using one of RMEs reference converters with a nice volume control where the last volume setting is being remembered and where switching between active monitors and headphones or when plugging/unplugging is being performed with a volume ramp-up, slow enough to turn the volume down if it appears to be too loud.

The point is, that it is relatively easy to accidentally get 0 dB setting on the TM FX output fader, e.g. when
- selecting another snapshot
- selecting another workspace
- switching to speaker B
- double-clicking the output fader
- by a key combination

So you need so solve the level mismatch proactively as described above so that 0 dB do not "hurt" (ears, equipment).

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10