51 (edited by gigi 2025-04-30 20:15:17)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Hi there,

I’m setting up a new Mac Studio M4 and have just installed Driver Kit 4.21. My interface is an RME UC with firmware version 49. After the installation, the driver reports a successful installation, but the system doesn’t recognize the card, even though the driver has found the UC.

From the information I found on the RME website (https://rme-audio.de/Downloadbereich.html), it seems I need to manually authorize the driver in the Systemeinstellungen / ‘Sicherheit und Datenschutz’. However, the system settings look completely different on Sequoia 15.4.1. I’ve searched everywhere but couldn’t find any options to authorize the driver as instructed on the website. I’m probably overlooking something basic, but I’m at a loss.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Gigi
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EDIT: To reply myself, I’ve found the solution. The activation of the driver on Sequoia can be found in “Allgemein / Anmeldeobjekte & Erweiterungen / Treibererwetierungen” (sorry, my system is German). Now, macOS and Totalmix recognize the card.
Cheers!

By the way, I completely skipped installing the Kernel Extension driver because the UC already had the latest firmware v49. I was unsure if that would be okay, but everything seems to be working fine. Thanks RME!

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carich wrote:

Tried CC mode with MADIface XT II firmware upgraded to CC v16 and DriverKit driver 4.22.

Although it seems more robust, we are still seeing TotalMix go spontaneously into the "disconnected" state and deadlock, requiring a MacOS reboot to recover.

Please try the new firmware USB 323 CC 17. This one should fix the audio MIDI issues (and subsequent hangs) that you encountered, for both normal driver mode and CC DK driver mode.

https://www.rme-audio.de/downloads/fut_ … ac_337.zip

We also have a slightly updated driver with a fix for noise  effects on audio stop, although unrelated to your reports:

https://www.rme-audio.de/downloads/driv … ac_426.zip

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Hello Matthias,
I have a UFXIII +1620pro connected with madi coax. I'm on a M4pro mini. Driverkit 4.21
I experienced severe spikes and audio drop problems whenever I touched a tabpage in a webbrowser or other task.
I now switched (in audio/midi setup AND in my daw) to Aggregate device instead of appointing the UFXIII directly. It seems that the drops are far less frequent - whenever I try another task now, it spikes but thus far no audio drops.
Can maybe someone who experienced the same problem try this too and see if it works for them?

I'm just guessing wildly here: since I migrated my system from a previous mac computer, could it indicate that by choosing the aggregate device route, the system works on the old kernel driver? (I had HDSPe Raydats before)
If so -> I'm a bit scared to download the new 4.26 since this works for now.
Thanks for your input.

best regards,

Koen.

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Use latest driver and firmware (links in post #52). Set the UFX III into CC mode. Aggregate Device adds a buffer which helps to keep audio rolling, but using CC does so too, and typically even better.

How can you be afraid of driver updates when you can go back anytime? And how can the UFX III via USB work on a PCIe driver?

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Upgraded MADIface XT II firmware to CC v17 and USB v323. Upgraded driver to DK v4.26.

Some MIDI responses over USB are now being corrupted. See the log at http://littlemountainmusic.org/download/rme_midi.txt, which shows corrupted MIDI traffic (e.g. response packets without a 0x7F terminator) between MIDI Remote and the XT II with 4 Octamic XTCs chained to it. Obviously, apps (MIDI Remote or TotalMix) receiving these behave badly.

In CC mode, we have not yet seen TotalMix deadlock with MIDI traffic, but we have seen TotalMix become unresponsive (all meters freeze) without showing "disconnected" in the window title. We could quit TotalMix normally (since it wasn't deadlocked), but it was still unresponsive after being relaunched. Hard to interpret given potential underlying MIDI corruption.

In CC mode there is still a channel alignment problem. Playback to channel 7 (e.g. from a DAW) appears in Totalmix at channel MADI 1. Playback to channel 1 appears in TotalMix at channel AN 1.

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

In the MIDI log at http://littlemountainmusic.org/download/rme_midi.txt the Octamic XTC with Device ID 02 (second in the chain) responds twice to each 0x11 command requesting level data. It's the same device whose responses to 0x10 commands requesting all parameters are corrupted. We don't think that Octamic XTC is damaged or had any of its settings changed.

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

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Thanks, we're at it.

Regarding the channel alignment - that is not an error. The first channels are not MADIx, but Analog, then AES (offset 4 channels on inputs) and Phones (offset 6 channels on playback/hardware output). So indeed we need to add naming to avoid confusion in CC mode - as soon as the more serious issues are fixed.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

So MADIx channels are last in CC mode, but first in USB mode? DigiCheck workspace files refer to input channels by number, so all metering setups designed for USB mode stop working (or at least monitoring the intended channels) when you switch to CC mode. We can live without channel names in Audio MIDI Setup, but skewing the channel numbering when switching mode seems traumatic. Is it necessary?

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

carich wrote:

In the MIDI log at http://littlemountainmusic.org/download/rme_midi.txt the Octamic XTC with Device ID 02 (second in the chain) responds twice to each 0x11 command requesting level data. It's the same device whose responses to 0x10 commands requesting all parameters are corrupted. We don't think that Octamic XTC is damaged or had any of its settings changed.

We discovered that the third Octamic XTC in our chain of four had its MIDI Device ID setting changed from 03 to 02, which explains the duplicate responses and corruption seen in http://littlemountainmusic.org/download/rme_midi.txt. Having corrected that, we'll test CC mode again.

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

DAW project files also refer to channels by number, so our Reaper recording and mixing setups designed for USB mode stop working (or at least require routing matrix changes) when you switch to CC mode. Again, skewing channel numbers when switching mode seems traumatic.

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Thoroughly tested our MADIface XT II (firmware USB 323, DSP 60, CC 17) and DriverKit driver 4.26 with four OctaMic XTCs chained to port MADI 1. In the last two days, we have not seen any deadlocks and TotalMix has not disconnected or frozen. All MIDI traffic looks normal.

MC wrote:

Regarding the channel alignment - that is not an error.

We can't believe channel alignment is working as designed. In CC mode, we're confident that MADIx input channels are first and MADIx output channels are last in Audio MIDI Setup. On the input side, ever-present MIC 1/2 signals appear after MADI channels in all apps (=> MADIx first), including DigiCheck and Reaper. On the playback/output side, signals played back from apps to channels 1/2 are present at AN 1/2 (=> MADIx last). Activating loopback on output AN 1/2 incorrectly routes the signal back to input MADI 1/2.

Little Mountain Music
MacBook Air M1, MacOS 15.5, MADIface XT II, 4 x OctaMic XTC, M-32 DA

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You are right, channel order is screwed up. As a temporary fix: remove USB, go to SETUP/REV - Options - Hardware Diagnosis, scroll to CC Routing, select Aux First, plug USB back. Now both input and playbacks start with Analog and AES, and Loopback works correctly. Note there is still a channel number (label) offset due to the additional Phones channels (5/6 in playback row). But MADI 1/2 will Loopback to MADI 1/2, etc.

We are currently checking if both 'Straight' (MADI first) and 'Aux First' can be made available as choice for the driver-based CC mode.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

I do need a rock solid solution for live recording including a redundant backup.

Now I have UFXII 2xOctamicII XTC and 12Mic with Df AVD

Several ways to set up recording 40 Channel DS with redundant recordings (intel Macs / DAW)

I had the idea to switch to UFXIII for easier setup

Which setup is the most reliable?
Does Windows (Here are several HP Notebooks from Professional Lines) perform better? Or even UFX+?

I can live with a solid 40 Chanel DuRec Recording

UFX II OctamicD OctamicII Octamic XTC 12Mic FF400 FF800 DF AVB

64 (edited by joachimvoelcker 2025-05-30 14:01:14)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

But I do really need a solid Total Mix for live Mixing

Is Totalmix without using usb Audio rock solid?

UFX II OctamicD OctamicII Octamic XTC 12Mic FF400 FF800 DF AVB

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

joachimvoelcker wrote:

But I do really need a solid Total Mix for live Mixing

Is Totalmix without using usb Audio rock solid?

TotalMix and the RME hardware rightly have a reputation for being solid.

Fireface UCX, Focusrite OctoPre adat, Sound Devices MixPre-D, Mac Studio M2 Max, macOS 14

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Somebody needs to update the title of this thread ;-)

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Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

...and continue reading here if talking about USB 3:

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 07#p237507

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

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carich wrote:

We can't believe channel alignment is working as designed.

MC wrote:

You are right, channel order is screwed up.

There is a new firmware for the XT II, DSP 61, which reliably sets Aux First mode when TotalMix is detected in CC mode. For Mac see link in this post:

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 07#p237507

Next step then is to give the channel names that remove the channel offset confusion (due to Aux first) when assigning them and using Loopback.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

69 (edited by SurfaceTension 2025-06-18 04:14:34)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Great, hopefully this works with Fireface UFX II in Mac's Sequoia OS?

After searching, I did not find an explicit answer—maybe this is such common knowledge that this is now taken for granted?

I’m currently using Sonoma, and for other reasons, need to upgrade to Sequoia, but not at the expense of my (rock-solid) working RME environment. I have:

macOS: Sonoma 14.7.5
Total Mix: ver 1.97
RME Driver: v4.17
FireFace UFX II firmware: v26
Logic Pro 11.1.2
MIDI: MOTU Express 128 (Bus Powered)

I’ve downloaded driver version 427, and FUT release date of 2025-06-10 (File dated 25/6/6). But I won't pull the trigger until I can confirm these are the two revs of software I need to run in Sequoia--or should I download something else?

I understand I need to flash the firmware before installing the driver, thank you.

Also, could anyone please share how stable people are finding RME in the Sequoia enviro?

Thank you very much!

2021 MacBook Pro/M1Chip/64GB RAM
AI: Fireface UFX II; MOTU 8Pre, Focusrite OctoPre
OS: Sonoma 14.7.5

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Driverkit 4.27
Totalmix 1.99
UFXII  fw2.06

MacOS 15.5
Logic 11.2
ProTools Ultimate 25.6.0.282

All running smoothly on two systems.

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Matt McKenzie-Smith (UFXII, UFX, Babyface) MacStudioUltra OS13.2.1
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71 (edited by waedi 2025-06-18 04:18:57)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Here Totalmix 1.99
USB driver 4.27
firmware on every interface always the newest
Sequoia 15.5
LogicPro 11.2

All runs fine rock-solid

The FUT you can anyway put on .

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Mattrixx & waedi,

Thanks, that's awesome! Did you mean that driver 427 works on any ver of firmware?

2021 MacBook Pro/M1Chip/64GB RAM
AI: Fireface UFX II; MOTU 8Pre, Focusrite OctoPre
OS: Sonoma 14.7.5

73 (edited by waedi 2025-06-18 04:32:20)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

SurfaceTension wrote:

Mattrixx & waedi,

Thanks, that's awesome! Did you mean that driver 427 works on any ver of firmware?

When driver 4.17 is working then 4.27 will work too regarding the firmware.

Some interfaces had to get a new firmware for the driver upgrade from 3 kext to 4 DK
In your case you are fine you can update everything.

Reading the readme text of the FUT and Driver is always recommended.

I just did a look on the FUT page your unit is up-to-date, no worry

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Thank you, Sir!

2021 MacBook Pro/M1Chip/64GB RAM
AI: Fireface UFX II; MOTU 8Pre, Focusrite OctoPre
OS: Sonoma 14.7.5

75 (edited by Acoin 2025-06-24 23:24:08)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Hello everyone, I'm preparing to send in my FF 800 to syntax for repair because three of the front channels stopped working. I'm running the M2 with Ventura 13.7.4, with the firmware hack applied in the extensions.  With this new firmware upgrade 4.20, could I use the latest OS?

Also,Since I'm getting work done on it, is there a mod that will convert it to thunder bolt?

Thanks!

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Are you sure you haven't just set these inputs to "rear" in the settings dialog? Which ones are affected?

There's no Thunderbolt modification.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

I did check that while recording but still no dice when I put it on 'front' and 'front + rear'.  Channels 7 thru 9 xlr imputs on the front
are not working. They all went out one by one during the same session. Channel 10 still works, and for some reason the signal bleeds into channel 9. 

Also, the red "clip" light on channel 7 is on and will not go off.

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

...not to derail this thread, I do still ask if the new 4.20 firmware allows compatibility with the most current OS for FF 800?

79 (edited by waedi 2025-06-25 07:23:49)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

4.20 is not a firmware it is the driverKit driver for Mac for USB interfaces.
The FF800 is a pure firewire interface and needs the firewire driver.

Use macfire 2.42

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Acoin wrote:

I did check that while recording but still no dice when I put it on 'front' and 'front + rear'.  Channels 7 thru 9 xlr imputs on the front
are not working. They all went out one by one during the same session. Channel 10 still works, and for some reason the signal bleeds into channel 9. 

Also, the red "clip" light on channel 7 is on and will not go off.

This sounds like defect internal power supply.
Was it replaced in the past ?

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

81 (edited by Acoin 2025-06-25 15:15:03)

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waedi wrote:

4.20 is not a firmware it is the driverKit driver for Mac for USB interfaces.
The FF800 is a pure firewire interface and needs the firewire driver.

Use macfire 2.42

Thank you for this info.  Would you know if it allows compatibility with the latest Mac OS?  Right now I'm on Ventura, and apparently that's as far as the ff 800 can go in terms of OS.

No, the power supply was never changed.

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

MacOS Sequoia works also.
Read this thread : https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 16#p224916

Most owners of a FF800 did exchange the PSU in the time.
In your case I do recommend to let it repair.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

waedi wrote:

MacOS Sequoia works also.
Read this thread : https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 16#p224916

Most owners of a FF800 did exchange the PSU in the time.
In your case I do recommend to let it repair.

Excellent! Thank you for your help!

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

waedi wrote:

4.20 is not a firmware it is the driverKit driver for Mac for USB interfaces.
The FF800 is a pure firewire interface and needs the firewire driver.

Use macfire 2.42

On the RME website driver install page I see macfire 2.62.  I do not see Macfire 2.42.
Thanks again!

85 (edited by waedi 2025-06-26 21:45:01)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

yes sorry I was looking at the old legacy product page this is not actual.
The Download page has better results :
MacOS 11 and up Intel and M-Macs  https://rme-audio.de/downloads/driver_fw_mac_341.zip

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Acoin wrote:

Thank you for this info.  Would you know if it allows compatibility with the latest Mac OS?

I think there are reports that macOS Tahoe no longer supports Firewire. It still works in Sequoia (as per posts in this forum).

Fireface UCX, Focusrite OctoPre adat, Sound Devices MixPre-D, Mac Studio M2 Max, macOS 14

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

waedi wrote:

yes sorry I was looking at the old legacy product page this is not actual.
The Download page has better results :
MacOS 11 and up Intel and M-Macs  https://rme-audio.de/downloads/driver_fw_mac_341.zip

No problem. Thanks again!

88 (edited by wrongdisplay 2025-06-27 14:24:15)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Ufx III
Mac studio
Apple M4 Max
Sequoia 15.5 (24F74)

Installed the latest driver 4.27 (not cc)

I have a little issue . I can't lower the buffer size to 32 in any mode 48-192khz.
I tested it in ableton latest 12.2 .
Did i do something wrong , or am i missing something?
Just bought a mac after years of windows use, so i am sure it's a user(me) error .
Any help would be much appreciated

89 (edited by waedi 2025-06-27 14:57:13)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

On Mac the audio buffer is part of the DAW and it is up to Ableton what sizes they offer to choose.

In LogicPro I also can go down to 32, not further.
Cubase Pro too, I think Ableton will not be an exception here.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

90 (edited by wrongdisplay 2025-06-27 15:11:43)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

But i tested my friend's macbook pro m3pro with my interface (ufx3) about a month ago with the rme driver that was available at the time and we had no issues .
We had the option to go to 32 buffer size in 192 and we tested it in abletons 80% cpu simulator with no issues .
So if it's an ableton issue (which i seriously doubt ) it should appear after 12.2 (latest) version .
Because 12.1 supported fully 32 buffer size  with ufx 3 on a mac .

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

wrongdisplay wrote:

So if it's an Ableton issue (which i seriously doubt )

Just tested with dk driver 4.27, too. Ableton 12.1.1 is installed here atm:

Short:
It is definitely an DAW-related thing.

Long:
- You have to switch from "CoreAudio" to "No Audio" and then back again to "CoreAudio" after sample rate changes in Ableton.
   It seems to be necessary (maybe a little bug?) to refresh its state.
- Ableton allows 32 Samples at 32kHz-96kHz
- Ableton allows 64 Samples at 176,4kHz-192kHz (while 32 Samples are selectable, but it switches automatically back to 64 Samples)

In contradiction to Logic:
- Logic "allows" 32 Samples at all sample rates (32kHz-192kHz), but:
   -> if you select 176,4kHz-192kHz here, and hit Apply, suddenly the Latency values raise to the same values as Ableton with 64 samples
   -> as we know, the DAWs just read these values from the driver - so i think, Logic maybe shows 32 Samples, but in fact it uses 64.

“Do It For Her”
My Gear: Bontempi Magic light Keyboard

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While macOS allows you to set 16 samples buffer size, this does not work fully reliable even at 48 kHz. So using 32 samples at 192 equals 8 samples in single speed - how is that supposed to work? Not. If it works then it is using high safety offsets (aka additional buffers) which means the 32 samples can be ignored and most of the latency comes from safety offset and undisclosed additional playback buffers.

Tip: RTL Utility can show all these buffers in detail, and also verify their 'size' - at least from the audio interface side. If Logic and others add small playback buffers it can't reveal these, of course.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

93 (edited by wrongdisplay 2025-06-28 20:48:08)

Re: macOS DriverKit driver 4.20 (and up) now available

Thank you guys for your answers.
Maggie33 i was able to reproduce your results myself . I switched to mac studio speakers momentarily and then back to core audio and then values are back at 32 buffer size for all the sample rates

I noticed that for a split second the input and output latencies at 192 Khz goes from 0.80 input , 0.82 output , 1.62 total (assuming the readings are correct) to 1.12 sometimes under 1 ms !

I thought i could achieve that but no . I tried different cables or maybe by freeing some resources .
That's what MC is saying then i guess (btw thanks for taking the time to reply )
It tries to go to 32 but than it uses safety offsets and goes to 64 .

Definetely gonna try the RTL utility .

Thanks again everyone