1 (edited by orby 2025-11-22 06:52:11)

Topic: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

tl:dr:

We have exceeded the 5% Desktop Share in U.S..

Furthermore, a important driver of that, DHH, is is confident this will be 14% or more in the foreseeable future..

Excited about the future of RME devices! smile


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More thoughts if you want to read more:

I myself am now - for the first time in my life - on a macOS device: A Macbook Air M4.
What held me back from Apple was the inflated pricing. Now in 2025, I am convinced the Macbook Air is the best bang for the buck *hardware* that is available - without question, imo.
Now that I have an RME compatible device, I got me an RME babyface. What a wonderful device! Thank you guys!

However, as a lifetime Linux user it is obvious that

a) power users / techies / nerds will be disappointed by the software. I hope that Apple will do an in-house fully customizable tiling window manager. I have been an avid user of i3, am now using sway on Fedora). UX - in comparison - is bad. Still ok on an absolute level. Still better than Windows - in most, but not all (!) aspects. (I never thought I could say something like that ^^).

b) the quality of Apple Software and it's ecosystem seems troubled, from my POV: I have seen more bugs using my Macbook for a few months now than I have in the last 5 years or so of using Fedora. (Still not as ridiculous as Windows, though smile)

Maybe Apple will get back on track. But that won't happen with Tim Cook, I think.

Anyway.
[s]I read a long while ago somewhere here that RME will not support Linux as long as the 5% mark is not exceeded.[/s]
[Rephrasing that, because of the replies and because of .. it was badly phrased / wrong:]
I read a long while ago somewhere here that RME will work on full Linux functionality (imo that includes a Linux version of Totalmix!) when that 5% mark is exceeded.
I have seen a few thread titles coming here that indicate: RME seems to be on track - some devices seem to work in an unmediated / complete fashion as on the other OS choices or at there seems to be an official effort to have it that way.

Nice.
Excited about the future of RME devices smile

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

orby wrote:

RME will not support Linux as long as the 5% mark is not exceeded.

never heard of that before

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

And, if something like that has been said, there is not marketshare, like marketshare. There may be OS marketshare of DAW users, or marketshare of using profesional interfaces....

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Kubrak wrote:

And, if something like that has been said, there is not marketshare, like marketshare. There may be OS marketshare of DAW users, or marketshare of using profesional interfaces....

This.

5% of total users on desktop PCs using Linux (which flavors/distros? how this figure was obtained?) does not mean any of these users are in the segment of potential RME customers. If it would be 5% of audio production professionals, then it might be something to consider, yet still it'd be a rather small share.

P.S. And the US is not the whole world.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

These details are ultimately secondary. I don’t recall any such statement—it would have stood out to me. I assume it was never made in this form. The crucial point is, if Linux support were possible, it would already exist. Everything else remains speculation and wishful thinking. Hoping is fine, but nothing can be forced; it also has to fit for RME as they need to develop and support it.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

I also cannot recollect any such statement concerning Linux by RME.

But if RME has started to support ARM on Win, which is also niche. Then maybe Linux comes one day. For certain distributions and certain processors. I cannot imagine RME would disclose its source codes to public.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

The article linked by the OP does not tell anything about the Linux users.
Is it a webserver computer in a bank, a computer in a factory for steering a machine or is it a homecomputer of a private person working on multimedia stuff ?

Relevant would be how many homerecording people want to use Linux, and there is no measurement.

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8 (edited by ramses 2025-11-21 13:38:40)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

@Kubrak:

It makes no sense to compare ARM and Linux on the basis that the two are "niche."

ARM is just another CPU architecture; everything else in Windows is largely the same. With some luck, recompilation and a few adjustments are sufficient.

In contrast, Linux is an entirely new development.

@waedi:

No matter the numbers, new products always need to be developed, tested, and supported. Linux would require an entirely new development, and regarding support, the differences between Linux distributions are significant—also in terms of the details of how to best support the Near-Realtime demands of audio applications.

There are already different kernel and userland approaches to handle / prioritize audio, but none of them constitute a real standard in the Linux community—a standard on which a hardware and software vendor can reliably depend.

And as you know, the expectations for RME solutions are high…

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

According to that same source it's back down below 5% in the US at 3.49% in October.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-sh … f-america#

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

ramses wrote:

@Kubrak:

It makes no sense to compare ARM and Linux on the basis that the two are "niche."

ARM is just another CPU architecture; everything else in Windows is largely the same. With some luck, recompilation and a few adjustments are sufficient.

In contrast, Linux is an entirely new development.

I have meant it more concerning support, testing and so on. It requires eternal investments, development is just one time investment. But once you make this initial investment, much more will be needed in future...

That is the similarity of niche of WoA and Linux. It may be, that porting RME SW to WoA is way simpler than to implement it to Linux, but maintaining it for marginal userbase would be very similar burden.

If implementation to Linux would cost a lot resources also depends, what tools RME uses for multiplatform SW development of TotalMix, DigiCheck and other user programs. If those tools support Linux, it would be easier to enter Linux world...

I am not Linux guy and I do not suggest RME could/should start to support Linux. IMHO, it will become true, when RME will see certain potential there, so that investment pays back....

IMHO, new DigiCheck and new TotalMix may be gradual way to Linux support. Once, all RME user applications get new coat, the gate to Linux might be prepared to open when feasible.

My guess is that old TM and DC were not made under framework that supports Linux. And that was the main obstacle.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

What if...
https://youtu.be/SLKtWi6NxmI?si=_dZIZ9b1fq2CzHY7

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Entertainment video of fantasy, category : flat earth film.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

In complex-systems and technology-diffusion research, major transitions are often preceded by very small early-stage indicators. These signals usually look insignificant in real time, but become clear only in hindsight.

Well-studied examples include:

Soviet Union (1991):
Economic decline, regional pressure and reduced state capacity were measurable years before the collapse, even though most observers expected long-term stability.

Berlin Wall (1989):
Data already showed rising emigration pressure and sustained protests prior to the political breakthrough, but these patterns were not widely interpreted as a structural shift until afterwards.

Internet adoption (1990s):
Early usage numbers seemed marginal. Later analysis (e.g., Bass diffusion models) showed that disruptive technologies typically follow slow-start S-curves, where initial growth appears statistically small.

Smartphone penetration (late 2000s):
Early percentages were low, yet developer activity, standards formation and acceleration rates already indicated an upcoming transition.

Across these cases, the consistent finding is that macroscale change begins with microscale signals. Small percentages do not rule out larger future shifts, especially in technology ecosystems.

This doesn’t imply that any specific outcome is guaranteed. It simply means that early indicators should be interpreted within the broader context of how technological transitions normally develop.

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

I agree but I'm sure the video does not consist of real indicators it is all fantasy, just made up for a film.

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15 (edited by Kubrak 2025-11-22 17:06:43)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Soviet Union and Berlin Wall are not relevant examples as they are examples from theory of chaos and theory of catastrophs, not applicable to product penetrating market....

You name succesfull stories of penetration... For each of them one may name tens, hundreds of those that have failed...

Linux has been here for almost 35 years... It has its place, it is gaining its marketshare. Maybe that people will leave Windows because of reasons.... But what if they switch to Mac, instead of Linux?

But still, my guess is Linux will gradualy gain marketshare, but not substantially. Why should people switch? They do not care much, which OS. If computers with preinstalled Windows will be sold, they will use those. Most of them.

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16 (edited by Mike Shield 2025-11-22 18:12:19)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Kubrak wrote:

Linux has been here for almost 35 years... It has its place, it is gaining its marketshare. Maybe that people will leave Windows because of reasons.... But what if they switch to Mac, instead of Linux?

That's true, but a Mac is tightly tied to Apple's own hardware, so switching to a Mac basically means buying an entirely new device – and that's not cheap. Linux, on the other hand, runs directly on the same hardware as Windows, without any extra cost, making it a more flexible and affordable option.

And with the money saved, you could even buy additional gear, like RME hardware, if it’s compatible with Linux. But maybe people just don’t want that, and they’ll stick with Windows instead. Or they just spend money on Apple hardware, because it’s always the trendy thing and they don’t have to think about anything else.

Here is some more information about Nvidia's plans.
https://youtu.be/-dmNW3tmi08?si=-nJLqR8vNxsQwmof

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

If one has computer with Win, he will stay on Win till computer is obsolete. And when he buys a new computer, it may be Win again or Mac or maybe Linux.

There may be few individuals that uninstall Win and install Linux because they dislike Win. Or make dualboot computer with Win and Linux, but it will be tiny fraction of people. If one wants Linux, buys computer without OS and installs Linux or buys computer with Linux preinstaled, does not buy computer with Win and then reinstalls everything....

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

It’s understandable that many don’t yet see current trends, because Windows-dependence and outdated workflows blur the view of reality. Windows 11 has proven inefficient and resource-draining, with forced updates and telemetry, slowing innovation and limiting control over production environments. AI music is transforming the entire production landscape, enabling studio-quality albums to be created even with a hundred-dollar audio interface, without composition or production skills, setting a new standard for creativity that traditional workflows cannot reach. RME appears behind the curve, tied to the old Windows paradigm, while Linux offers speed, flexibility, modularity, and efficiency, and the ability to fully leverage the AI revolution.

To be honest, I’m not a fan of AI either, but it’s here to stay. This makes it worth considering whether Open Source and Linux could help mitigate the worst-case scenarios and benefit RME, users, and music in general.

Windows isn’t anyone’s friend – it’s a spy and saboteur inside your own device. It monitors your every move, collects data without asking, forces updates that can break workflows, and drains system resources while pretending to be ‘helpful.’ Using it is like inviting a houseguest who constantly rearranges your furniture and reports on you to the authorities – it’s that easy to lose control. Meanwhile, lighter, open systems like Linux give freedom, transparency, and control, letting you focus on creating instead of fighting your own operating system.

Your computer, your studio, your wallet. You should be able to use them however you see fit.
Except according to Microsoft…

…According to Microsoft, your machine is part of their ecosystem, not yours. They decide the updates, they decide what you’re allowed to uninstall, they decide what gets collected in the background. You pay for the hardware — but they pull the strings. And if you don’t like it? Well, ‘that’s just how it is,’ because locked-down systems are designed exactly for that: to keep the user out of the driver’s seat.

But that’s fine if it doesn’t suit – everyone plods along in their own way.

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

One may stay on Win10 or even Win7. I have moved from Win7 to Win10 two years ago. I still use WinXP. One may wait for Win12, maybe it will be better than Win11, maybe not.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Yeah, someone out there is surely still using MS-DOS or Windows 3.11 — basically the tech equivalent of choosing a horse-drawn carriage because “cars can be unreliable sometimes.” And even if a fully polished, royal-grade Linux were served on a silver platter, some people would still cling to those relics, because cognitive inertia is one hell of a force. wink

Peace ❤️

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

...directly on the same hardware as Windows, without any extra cost

Disagree

The extra cost is the time you have to spend for learning and collecting software.
A Mac has all in, is ready to use for private multimedia work. With Linux you have nothing.
But it's alternative. you are so powerful you have tricked the big players, you have tricked the system, everything alternative must be better...?

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

Yeah, someone out there is surely still using MS-DOS or Windows 3.11 — basically the tech equivalent of choosing a horse-drawn carriage because “cars can be unreliable sometimes.” And even if a fully polished, royal-grade Linux were served on a silver platter, some people would still cling to those relics, because cognitive inertia is one hell of a force. wink

Peace ❤️

Well, legacy SW/HW needs often legacy OSes. There are 30+ years old programs still running. And they will run a decade on or more... If someone has invested fortune to specialised SW that runs on Win since nineties and is not willing to pay for redesign, just for maintenance, one needs old OS to provide maintenance as development tools are not compatible with newer versions of OS. Or one may have old HW, like for example door system, that requires for maintenance Win 3.11.

One may need MS DOS to read old documents...

But back to Linux. We will see in few years, if it speeds up gaining marketshare. Reaching 5% in 35 years is not much.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Are you worried or just surprised?

I see it differently: although Linux has only about 5% of the desktop market, its influence and potential are steadily growing in servers and the cloud, through the open-source ecosystem, and among younger users. Small niche areas can trigger a snowball effect, and market growth is not always linear.

24 (edited by waedi 2025-11-23 13:59:44)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Servers are not desktop homecomputers, right ?
Small niche areas changing rapidly and disappear over night.
Market grow needs a product with a company behind. Snowball effect is melting before rolling in this case.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

Small niche areas can trigger a snowball effect, and market growth is not always linear.

Sure, one may expect exponential growth at first. Be it 10% a year, which is a lot, Linux would reach 10% in 2032. Be it rise 7% a year, still pretty much, Linux would reach 10% in 2035.

Look at yearly numbers of Linux marketshare and one may calculate, what the growth rate is. And then one may extrapolate it to future.

And do not forget, that the world has not been so close to atomic war or at least world war since 60 years ago. So one may have more serious things to deal with soon than Linux vs. Windows vs. MacOS.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Apple’s Mac desktops & laptops currently hold around 10% of the global PC market, showing steady growth in a Windows-dominated landscape.

In comparison, Linux maintains roughly 5% of the desktop OS share worldwide. While smaller, it’s worth noting that Linux’s 5% represents a massive number of users—all achieved without the backing of a tech giant, highlighting the strength and dedication of the open-source community.

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

Apple’s Mac desktops & laptops currently hold around 10% of the global PC market, showing steady growth in a Windows-dominated landscape.

In comparison, Linux maintains roughly 5% of the desktop OS share worldwide. While smaller, it’s worth noting that Linux’s 5% represents a massive number of users—all achieved without the backing of a tech giant, highlighting the strength and dedication of the open-source community.

Why should a company invest 50+% more resources to enlarge possible marketshare by 5% points? Maybe it is better to invest 25% more to current market and gain  more marketshare within 95% of market against competitors. Like making new versions of TotalMix and DigiCheck or making three versions of each driver for Mac, because Apple... Or making ARM driver for Win.

I do not see many chances for Linux real penetration to desktop anytime soon... Unless big tech gets involved and makes something like Android did. If there is one widespread distribution of Linux, it could get focus of developers.

Just imagine the nightmare of RME support if they support Linux as whole with so many variable distributions. Customer calls it does not work. Hmm, and what kernel, what distribution, what HW do you have? And customer, you know, I made my own build and has tweaked it little bit. And so on. It is no go...

One cannot reliably support can of worms. Widows with its diverse HW and Apple with its security everything is enought to make wrinkles. No need to add few more for marginal benefit.

I understand Linux users, that they would love to have RME support. That is natural desire. But the reality is different. I bet RME is getting been prepared for Linux, when right time comes....

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

In comparison, Linux maintains roughly 5% of the desktop OS share worldwide. While smaller, it’s worth noting that Linux’s 5% represents a massive number of users—all achieved without the backing of a tech giant, highlighting the strength and dedication of the open-source community.

This is fallacy and manipulation. How many of those desktop installations worldwide are government-mandated in public sector workplaces and/or made by commercial (often with strong links to governments) companies, for instance? Since I know a couple of examples of places where Linux-based desktops are being pushed wherever they can due to some mythical "data sovereignty" and "national security" concerns and have nothing to do with private professional settings, especially in the recording industry sector. Besides, these Linux licenses (yes, these installations use commercial and often hardened and certified Linux distributions mainly) are much more expensive than OEM OS licenses from PC vendors or Apple.

And as much as I recognize Linux's importance and power where it is due as an IT specialist, I don't think I will be moving over to it on my personal desktop and laptop computers anytime soon.

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29 (edited by Mike Shield 2025-11-23 16:12:55)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Why and why. I’m not demanding anything. I’m just telling where the world is heading. You can always just stay lying still.

The fact that you’re reading the Linux section of this forum says something — even if you think it’s “bad” or “pointless.” Curiosity or awareness seems to sneak past your skepticism. wink

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

I’m just telling where the world is heading.

back to post 11

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Just to clarify: the video in post #11 wasn’t fictional — it was interpreted as such. That’s fine, everyone reads things differently. But that interpretation doesn’t actually say anything about the points I raised here.

Labeling something as “fantasy” is an easy way to sidestep the substance of the discussion, but it doesn’t engage with any of the arguments about adoption patterns, industry shifts or long-term trends. I’m completely open to corrections if any of my points are factually wrong — but simply comparing them to a misinterpreted video doesn’t move the conversation forward.

Peace

32 (edited by waedi 2025-11-23 18:33:25)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Mike Shield wrote:

the video in post #11 wasn’t fictional

That is your interpretation, after that you say where the world is heading.

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33 (edited by ramses 2025-11-23 17:29:05)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Sorry, Mike, I do not want to hurt your feelings, but I think you seem to miss some important points.

Linux offers too many distributions, kernels, setups, and maintenance models, creating a level of fragmentation that makes life difficult for both end users and vendors, and prevents an attractive ecosystem for commercial applications.

As a result, there is no single system for all types of desktop applications, such as office, gaming, audio, video, and other areas. This makes it hard - even for experts - to choose the best compromise out of 800+ distributions and then customize everything that is still missing.

If you later discover that it was not the right choice of distribution, you will have to customize everything again, and because the systems can be very different, you may find that the customization steps are not the same, creating even more work for you.

For vendors, the situation is even worse, because they also have to support whatever system the customer chose—including whatever the customer customized on their own.

And since Unix systems, in particular Linux systems, can differ so much, finding the root cause of a problem becomes significantly harder when the list of potential issues is far longer than on the more standardized Windows or macOS platforms, where there is only one system and not hundreds of variations.

This explains why Linux never achieved the unified platform quality of Windows or macOS and remains a burden for everyone involved when it comes to commercial or professional support. It becomes even more critical if SLAs are involved, which is why larger companies prefer to develop and maintain their own Linux distributions. For example, Red Hat and Oracle do this for the enterprise, service provider, and data center markets. They cannot build their business and support model on a random release that is not under their control.

Use Linux as a server or for reading mail, social media, scripting, or development if you want—fine—but for real desktop systems with commercial applications, you need a standardized platform as a solid foundation for development, support, and ultimately for the customer, who wants the OS to be easy to use and maintain.

As Kubrak already mentioned, Linux has been on the market for a long time but still offers far fewer commercial applications compared to Windows and macOS. There is a reason for this: too much diversity creates too much extra effort on all sides.

P.S.: I am customer like you, this is only my $0.02 worth on this topic (based on my experience of the last 30+ years).

P.S. 2: After decades of chaotic proliferation, it is long overdue to take stock and guide Linux toward becoming a genuine alternative to macOS and Windows. What is currently lacking is a consolidation project—something akin to a Linux Foundation under the leadership of key developers, with the explicit goal of creating one Linux distribution with sophisticated package management that encompasses all essential functionality, thereby preventing the emergence of unnecessary derivative distributions.

All contributors should then pool their expertise to truly make it a “better system.” Crucially, optimizations for gaming, audio production, and other professional workflows—similar to those built into Windows—must be integrated directly into the system to establish a real standard.

Above all, the system design must change. It cannot consist solely of the Linux kernel with the rest being incidental. Linux must be a complete system in the traditional Unix sense: meticulously maintained, with comprehensive manual pages. Anything extending beyond the core Unix functionality should be provided exclusively through the package management system, with third-party tools installed in paths separate from the operating system’s standard directories.

This way it is better possible to enforce a standard that can be well maintained.

Of course this needs also a good Release management with migration/update paths. You can look how the FreeBSD project organizes things nicely to enable to stay up to date with the system, be it in the current release train or even when migrating to the next release.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

lol, nice to see such a lively discussion came out of my post. smile

@ramses:

you "consolidation project" reminds me of that xkcd:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards_2x.png


Still, you sound like there is no way - or no reasonable way - for RME to develop / release an Linux driver.
Of course I have to disagree on this point, pointing to the many companies and private projects that do manage to release comparable software on Linux in addition to Windows and macOS.

I admit that it's a very different question if/how to transition an existing project that was never intended to run on Linux in the first place.

A lot of smaller remarks I have in mind that I will not type out (regarding the many comments in the thread, not only yours smile).

I hope in the long term, Linux w
ill be a viable alternative in the world of music production.
It has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime.
And I expect, Linux will play a larger and larger role...
When it happens, I hope RME will have positioned itself well.

smile

35 (edited by Kubrak 2025-11-23 18:38:15)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

But for RME it is not just release drivers. One may already use CC mode of interface and use Linux stock CC driver. If it is not sufficient then Linux developers should develop better CC driver, no need for RME...

But Linux users probably also want TotalMix, DigiCheck and so on...

Sure, it will come one day. And I bet RME is more or less prepared.

And concerning standardisation. EU has forced phone manufacturers to use USB, not proprietary data connection, it also forced them to use USB for charging and not using proprietary PSUs, and later on USB-c to be used for data and power delivery.

USB sort of converged with Thunderbolt (not to 100% but considerably) and Firewire became rather rare.

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Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

ramses wrote:

Sorry, Mike, I do not want to hurt your feelings, but I think you seem to miss some important points.
...

Thank you for your insightful and thought-provoking response.
I really appreciate that you brought forward points that are often overlooked in discussions about Linux. While I don’t agree with every detail, you are absolutely right that the Linux ecosystem still suffers from excessive fragmentation, and certain aspects of standardization clearly need improvement.

It’s also true that developing and supporting commercial applications on Linux is more complicated than on Windows or macOS. Differences in package formats, system interfaces, and the varying nature of different distributions all contribute to this complexity.

At the same time, I would like to point out that the situation is not quite as chaotic as it may appear: the vast majority of Linux systems are essentially based on a few main families — primarily Debian/Ubuntu, Red Hat/RHEL/Fedora, Arch, SUSE, and Gentoo. Most of the “hundreds of distributions” are really just small derivatives of these. Nevertheless, I fully agree with your broader point that a clearer and more unified foundation would be beneficial for the Linux desktop ecosystem.

I also agree that, for the future of desktop Linux, it would be important to have some form of consolidation effort — whether coordinated by the Linux Foundation or another body — focused on creating a stable, well-documented, and well-maintained “base system” that commercial applications can reliably target. In this sense, FreeBSD’s release and update model could serve as an excellent example.

All in all, thank you once again for your high-quality and analytical input. Discussions like this genuinely help move the topic forward.

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

Kubrak wrote:

But for RME it is not just release drivers. One may already use CC mode of interface and use Linux stock CC driver. If it is not sufficient then Linux developers should develop better CC driver, no need for RME...

But Linux users probably also want TotalMix, DigiCheck and so on...

Sure, it will come one day. And I bet RME is more or less prepared.

And concerning standardisation. EU has forced phone manufacturers to use USB, not proprietary data connection, it also forced them to use USB for charging and not using proprietary PSUs, and later on USB-c to be used for data and power delivery.

USB sort of converged with Thunderbolt (not to 100% but considerably) and Firewire became rather rare.

You are also right about this. RME devices do work in Class Compliant mode with Linux’s standard CC driver, and if the driver isn’t sufficient, then yes — it’s mainly up to Linux developers to improve CC support, not RME. And it’s true that CC mode still lacks important RME features like TotalMix and DigiCheck.

But the situation can always be improved with good cooperation, taking into account the interests of all parties and respecting their rights to industrial secrets and other proprietary information. Hopefully there will be plenty of goodwill and collaboration in the future.

38 (edited by ramses 2025-11-23 19:19:19)

Re: Linux exceeding 5% desktop share in the US.

orby wrote:

lol, nice to see such a lively discussion came out of my post. smile

A fantasy statement that needed correction and otherwise yet another fruitless Linux discussion.

orby wrote:

@ramses: you "consolidation project" reminds me of that xkcd:

Our experiences and views on topics like standardization and maintainability are entirely different.

orby wrote:

Still, you sound like there is no way - or no reasonable way - for RME to develop / release an Linux driver.

I can't speak for RME; I am a customer like you. I spoke more generally based on my personal experience
because the mentioned issues are generic for every vendor/product, where commercial hw/sw solutions for Linux are missing.

orby wrote:

Of course I have to disagree on this point, pointing to the many companies and private projects that do manage to release comparable software on Linux in addition to Windows and macOS.

A few companies, but not the major players with the software (the "de-facto standards") which most need for their work.
I think those companies see here a chance to enter this nieche to be able to compete with bigger companies.

orby wrote:

I admit that it's a very different question if/how to transition an existing project that was never intended to run on Linux in the first place.

It's all speculation and its finally RMEs and not our decision.

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