Topic: Synchronizing clock

I need to synchronize multiple devices. Most of them by RME (FF UCX, FF 802, Digiface USB and OctaMic-D) and Eventide (Eclipse and H8000).

So far I have used ADAT for distributing clock. But after the purchase of  OctaMic-D, I need to distribute clock to OctaMix and I will use WC. (I know OM-D might be clock source, but it will be on only if needed, so it cannot be the master).

And if using WC for  OM-D, I might buy more cables and use it for the rest/most other devices.

So, my question is.... Does WC provide better (more precise) clocking than ADAT? I know that for RME devices it probably does not matter much (or at all) as all my devices have SteadyClock, but what about Eventides? Might be WC clocking be better choice than ADAT clocking?

Just theoretically, if one compares ADAT and WC clocking in general..... I will have short cables.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Synchronizing clock

OK. I have got response on Eventide forum from their engineer. It should be the same for their units. Also, jitter matters only in A/D and D/A, not within digital chain, if there are not severe clocking problems and loss of samples....

So, would using World Clock instead of ADAT clocking bring any benefit if used for units that do A/D or D/A? Units are close to each other, just few feet.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

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No not at all, if I remember correctly MC posted once that adat is a little bit better even.
Also optical is immune to ground loops and other electrical problems.
The one big plus for WC is that it is universal and also works for video devices.

Vincent, Amsterdam
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BFpro fs, 2X HDSP9652 ADI-8AE, 2X HDSP9632

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Another solution would be, to connect the octamic to the device that is clock master and switch that device to slave to the octa only when it is on.

Vincent, Amsterdam
https://soundcloud.com/thesecretworld
BFpro fs, 2X HDSP9652 ADI-8AE, 2X HDSP9632

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Sure optical ADAT avoids danger of ground loops.

Yes, it is what came to my mind. I will use 802 for clocking Octamic using WC, if not recording. And use Octamic as master when the best possible A/D on Octamic is desired.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

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I'm reviving this thread to avoid creating a new one.

I need to synchronize my equipment:

1 x UFX III (which I want to use as the master)
1 x Mytek 8x192 converter (I'll only use it to power headphone amplifiers)
2 x SSL Pure Drive Quad mic preamps.

The only thing I'm sure about is that I'd like the UFX III to be the master. SSL support recommends using word clock instead of ADAT sync, and a clock splitter or T-adapters. But I'm not convinced.

There are many possible combinations, and I know RME has SteadyClock FS, but how would you synchronize these four pieces of equipment?

Note: The Mytek is a fantastic AD/DA converter, but it's a few years old, and I think I'll get better sound with RME because its technology is more current. Also, the UFX III will have full analog inputs and outputs, so I think it should be the master.

7 (edited by ramses 2025-11-05 13:48:38)

Re: Synchronizing clock

Use WC. UFX III as master and the Mytec with several WC outputs to distribute further.

WC cabling, "WC out to WC in" ...

cm                                         cs                                                   cs
UFX III--WC OUT------>WC IN---Mytec---WC OUT1------>WC IN---SSL Pure Drive #1
                                                       \---WC OUT2------>WC IN---SSL Pure Drive #2
                                                                                                   cs

cm=clock master
cs=clock slave

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

Re: Synchronizing clock

ramses wrote:

Use WC. UFX III as master and the Mytec with several WC outputs to distribute further.

WC cabling, "WC out to WC in" ...

cm                                         cs                                                   cs
UFX III--WC OUT------>WC IN---Mytec---WC OUT1------>WC IN---SSL Pure Drive #1
                                                       \---WC OUT2------>WC IN---SSL Pure Drive #2
                                                                                                   cs

cm=clock master
cs=clock slave



This is great. I've set it up this way and everything seems to be working fine. Let's see how it performs during long work sessions. I'll let you know if anything changes. Thank you very much.

Re: Synchronizing clock

You're welcome.

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

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Re: Synchronizing clock

So glad I found this thread I was about to ask about using ADAT or WC for a UFX (1) and a 802 FS which are ADAT connected anyway.

11 (edited by ramses 2026-01-08 10:26:53)

Re: Synchronizing clock

rAC wrote:

So glad I found this thread I was about to ask about using ADAT or WC for a UFX (1) and a 802 FS which are ADAT connected anyway.

I would prefer that everybody creates a thread of his own for his particular setup.
This makes it easier to read and support, because then all information in a thread is regarding this one setup. Thanks.

Basically, whether you use WC or any other of the digital channels doesn't change the quality of clock synchronization.

If you should work with different sample rates and often change between single and double (or quad speed), then it is an advantage to use WC or digital ports with only two channels, like AES or SPDIF, because they support sample rates between 44.1 and 192 kHz. Then the clock slaves can automatically follow the clock of the master.

For operational reasons, it is best to use the main recording interface as clock master, the one that is connected to the computer. Then you only need to change the sample rate in the DAW; the recording interface gets the proper sample rate through the driver, and the clock slaves can follow the sample rate of the master.

ADAT and MADI use sample multiplexing to achieve the higher bandwidth that is needed for double and quad speed. But there is nothing in the protocol header that tells them how many ports are being "bundled", whether it is single, double, or quad speed.

If you can set the ADAT port to work with SPDIF protocol on both sides, then you can use optical SPDIF for synchronization as well; it's also a 2-channel protocol that supports 44.1-192 kHz.

See my blog article on clock synchronization:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/

Two good options that keep the ADAT ports free for connecting as many channels of the 802 as possible and that make it easier to use double speed, because with two ADAT ports you would still have 8 ports for routing channels between the UFX II and 802 FS:

A) Using AES for clock synchronization

PC
|
| USB2
|
UFX II [cm]---AES----------------------------->AES IN---802 FS [cs]   only one direction needed
               \                                                               /
               ADAT1 OUT------------------------>ADAT1 IN
               ADAT2 OUT------------------------>ADAT2 IN
               ADAT1 IN<-------------------------ADAT1 OUT
               ADAT2 IN<-------------------------ADAT2 OUT

B) Using WC for clock synchronization

PC
|
| USB2
|
UFX II [cm]....WC OUT...............................>WC IN...802 FS [cs]
              \                                                               /
               ADAT1 OUT------------------------>ADAT1 IN
               ADAT2 OUT------------------------>ADAT2 IN
               ADAT1 IN<-------------------------ADAT1 OUT
               ADAT2 IN<-------------------------ADAT2 OUT

[ cm=clock master, cs=clock slave ]

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent