Topic: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Diar Sirs (Mesdames?),
I have a vintage RME hdsp 9632, and I can't pull out AES/EBU from it.
However, optical output works well.
I made a custom 110 om xlr cable according to the user manual. And it seems that the output settings are correct.
So, most likely, the problem is with the cable.

But I can't understand what exactly is wrong.

https://s3.ru1.storage.beget.cloud/9a2e7c9ec747-pixsafe/albums/TlJdF/aesoutput_wbELC.jpg

2 (edited by waedi 2026-01-15 13:46:19)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Just from your image it seems at the D-sub connector the white wire is at the wrong place, it should be one position to the right ?

https://i.ibb.co/jZwPqhhp/pin.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Fbs9rMMK/pin.jpg

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Yes, easy to overlook

I added numbers to the plug for more clarity.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pooohmt1 … 3&dl=1
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pooohmt1wu232hj79ew0n/2026-01-15-AES-Pinout-Cable.jpg?rlkey=ye08jyvlvklfa7lj8ftqzkfg7&st=3k5hc3p3&dl=1

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Very nice, I was too lazy
rear view and also flip upside down is a lot of imagination work at once.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

What exactly does not work, what is the card connected to?

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

6 (edited by arxx 2026-01-15 18:18:24)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Omg, I hope it's just consequences of festive days..
One wrong move in Photoshop turned everything wrong way.

Thanks a lot guys for your attention and help! Now the SOUND has appeared!

For those, who interested, I use the 9632 as a digital source for my hi-fi PC speakers system, which contains:

- PC with Foobar - asio - hdsp 9632
- digital dejittering processor Meridian 518
- integrated amplifier (with a built in DAC) Electrocompaniet Pi - 2d
- near field speakers PMC DB1s

- mini-DAC Tempotec V5 (connected to the Meridian 518) feeding a pair of Totem Dreamcatcher subs

It all looks quite bizzare on paper, but sounds good and listenable.

Especially now.. I honestly surprised, how the AES output sounds significantly better, then the optical output.

Thanks again, I have the most positive feelings about this forum.

Cheers smile

7 (edited by waedi 2026-01-15 23:12:42)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Glad it works

But that Meridian thing I would take out of the house, it is electricity consuming for nothing.

From the product description :

HDSP 9632 debuts SteadyClock (TM), a newly developed clock technology, combining professional features like maximum jitter suppression at full varipitch capabilities and software controlled sample rates.


arxx wrote:

I honestly surprised, how the AES output sounds significantly better, then the optical output.

If that would be true, it would be possible to measure it but thats not the case, both digital outputs carry the same music from your routing.
The signal path afterwards seems to be not equal, one is a fraction louder that makes you think its significant better.
Or your routing in Totalmix was not the same, you know you can double-click the fader to let it jump up to the zero-position exactly.
Also check out ADI-2 DAC FS, regarding  jitter

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:

Glad it works

But that Meridian thing I would take out of the house, it is electricity consuming for nothing.

From the product description :

HDSP 9632 debuts SteadyClock (TM), a newly developed clock technology, combining professional features like maximum jitter suppression at full varipitch capabilities and software controlled sample rates.


arxx wrote:

I honestly surprised, how the AES output sounds significantly better, then the optical output.

If that would be true, it would be possible to measure it but thats not the case, both digital outputs carry the same music from your routing.
The signal path afterwards seems to be not equal, one is a fraction louder that makes you think its significant better.
Or your routing in Totalmix was not the same, you know you can double-click the fader to let it jump up to the zero-position exactly.
Also check out ADI-2 DAC FS, regarding  jitter

The thing is I have gold ears.. sad
By the way, I also have some expensive audiophile cables and a power filter. They significally change sound too, (however not that much than AES connection vs toslink). Don't tell to throw them to a thrash bin.. smile

9 (edited by waedi 2026-01-16 13:00:53)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

Don't tell to throw them to a thrash bin.. smile

i would never ! These stuff belongs to electro recycling, cables separate and electronics separate, thats all valuable stuff.

Btw your photo of the XLR plug shows a quality of soldering that is the worst. My teacher would have cut off that and shout at me.

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

The thing is I have gold ears.. sad
By the way, I also have some expensive audiophile cables and a power filter. They significally change sound too, (however not that much than AES connection vs toslink). Don't tell to throw them to a thrash bin.. smile

The digital signal across AES and SPDIF is absolutely identical unless you have changed levels or EQ within Totalmix, there can not possibly be any difference in "sound quality"

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

RME Support wrote:
arxx wrote:

The thing is I have gold ears.. sad
By the way, I also have some expensive audiophile cables and a power filter. They significally change sound too, (however not that much than AES connection vs toslink). Don't tell to throw them to a thrash bin.. smile

The digital signal across AES and SPDIF is absolutely identical unless you have changed levels or EQ within Totalmix, there can not possibly be any difference in "sound quality"

The signal is the same, but transmitters and receivers of the signal are different. And the cables are very different.

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:
arxx wrote:

Don't tell to throw them to a thrash bin.. smile

i would never ! These stuff belongs to electro recycling, cables separate and electronics separate, thats all valuable stuff.

Btw your photo of the XLR plug shows a quality of soldering that is the worst. My teacher would have cut off that and shout at me.

Sadly, I didn't have a teacher.. That's my first try, and I'm proud of me! Pure handmade craft style!! smile

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

The signal is the same, but transmitters and receivers of the signal are different. And the cables are very different.

None of these can change the audio content of the digital signal, otherwise that signal would be corrupted.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

Sadly, I didn't have a teacher..

I see

You did use soldering as like gluing together. not good.

Check out Youtube, there must be teaching videos.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

RME Support wrote:

None of these can change the audio content of the digital signal, otherwise that signal would be corrupted.

They don't change a signal, they change sound character. Idk how, but different digital cables affect sound differently. It's about very subtle things in very high resolyrion systems.

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:

I see
You did use soldering as like gluing together. not good.
Check out Youtube, there must be teaching videos.

Thank you, my diar Sir! God bless you, you are a good man!

17 (edited by ramses 2026-01-16 15:15:03)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:
RME Support wrote:

None of these can change the audio content of the digital signal; otherwise, that signal would be corrupted.

They don't change a signal; they change sound character. Idk how, but different digital cables affect sound differently. It's about very subtle things in very high-resolution systems.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Zeros and ones have no sound or sound character.
The signal doesn't have any waveform. It's a simple stream of digital states, either 0 or 1.
You seem to fool yourself with expectation bias.

Such "psychoacoustic effects" are known and have been researched.
In a properly conducted blind or double-blind test at the same volume levels, you would be unable to recognize a difference.

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

ramses wrote:
arxx wrote:
RME Support wrote:

None of these can change the audio content of the digital signal; otherwise, that signal would be corrupted.

They don't change a signal; they change sound character. Idk how, but different digital cables affect sound differently. It's about very subtle things in very high-resolution systems.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Zeros and ones have no sound or sound character.
The signal doesn't have any waveform. It's a simple stream of digital states, either 0 or 1.
You seem to fool yourself with expectation bias.

Such "psychoacoustic effects" are known and have been researched.
In a properly conducted blind or double-blind test at the same volume levels, you would be unable to recognize a difference.

Yeah, the same old song about digital zeros and ones, no difference, and the stupid audiophiles spending money on nothing.

"Practice is the criterion of truth." (C) Besides simple logic, there is such a thing as empirical expirience. At first, listen to many top notch audio systems, then try to build yours, spending years polishing it (however not exactly my case). Then you'll probably hear the difference between power cords, acoustic and digital cables and so on. Will hear IN YOUR OWN SYSTEM, blindly or not. Just like you hear a difference between amplifiers (I hope). Some people can't hear a difference between acoustic systems, other people can hear a difference between digital cables (in their own well known system).
Let all flowers grow.. smile

19 (edited by ramses 2026-01-16 20:11:31)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

Yeah, the same old song about digital zeros and ones, no difference, and the stupid audiophiles spending money on nothing.

"Practice is the criterion of truth." (C) Besides simple logic, there is such a thing as empirical expirience. At first, listen to many top notch audio systems, then try to build yours, spending years polishing it (however not exactly my case). Then you'll probably hear the difference between power cords, acoustic and digital cables and so on. Will hear IN YOUR OWN SYSTEM, blindly or not. Just like you hear a difference between amplifiers (I hope). Some people can't hear a difference between acoustic systems, other people can hear a difference between digital cables (in their own well known system).
Let all flowers grow.. smile

One thing upfront: in the RME forum, we try to provide information that is as honest, accurate, and technically sound as possible.

For this topic, proper test methodology is critical. Without it, listening comparisons easily lead to different—and often wrong—conclusions. There is nothing wrong with conducting listening tests; the problem only arises when they are not done correctly, allowing bias to influence the result.

Below is a brief overview of the relevant points.

Psychoacoustic limits and test methodology

If you want to conduct serious listening comparisons, you must consider well-known psychoacoustic thresholds and practical limitations. Otherwise, you will very quickly “hear” differences that do not physically exist.

Level differences

A level difference of only ≈0.2–0.3 dB is already sufficient for a signal to be perceived as clearer, more open, or more detailed.
From around 0.5 dB, this effect becomes obvious to many listeners.

This is why precise level matching is mandatory. Rough adjustment “by ear” is not sufficient for a valid comparison.

Temporal aspects / switching speed

The auditory short-term memory for fine spectral and dynamic details is limited to a few seconds—often significantly less.
As the time interval between two listening events increases, the brain increasingly replaces actual memory with expectation and reconstruction.

In practical terms, switching must occur almost immediately (typically < 1 second, ideally much faster), otherwise the comparison is no longer based on perception but on assumptions.

Multiple passes, not a single impression

A single listening impression is not meaningful.
You need multiple repetitions to rule out coincidence and random hits.

Test setup considerations

Depending on what exactly you want to test, setting up a comparison that meets all requirements (especially fast switching and level accuracy) may be more or less difficult.

Example setup (Bit Test)

A very simple and robust test is the Bit Test of the ADI-2 series reference converters, ideally combined with an RME audio interface and a PC audio player that supports ASIO (Windows).

Play the test pattern via different digital paths (AES, S/PDIF optical, S/PDIF coaxial, USB)

Ensure:
- the audio player outputs bit-perfect data,
- all faders in TotalMix FX are set to 0 dBFS.

Overview of such a setup

PC------------------------------------------+
|                                                          |
| USB2                                        USB2 |
|                                                          |
UCX II---AES-------------------------->ADI-2 Pro FS
             SPDIF(o)------------------------/   /
             SPDIF(c)---------------------------/

The test pattern (a specific digital sequence of 0s and 1s) is transmitted losslessly up to the DSP of the ADI-2 Pro FS.
The DSP detects this unique pattern and confirms on the display that the bit test has succeeded.

This proves that the digital audio stream is transmitted losslessly, regardless of whether AES, S/PDIF optical, or S/PDIF coaxial is used.

The final D/A conversion is performed entirely inside the ADI-2 Pro FS using its own DAC.
The result is identical for all digital inputs—including USB and ADAT—and independent of cable choice.

This is simply digital data transmission, which is either correct or incorrect; when correct, it is lossless.

Clocking and jitter

Technologies such as SteadyClock FS ensure that digital data arrives with minimal jitter at the device performing the D/A conversion. The ADI-2 Pro FS is a special case, as it always uses its internal femto-second clock for the final D/A process, even when operating as a clock slave.

Knowledge matters

Proper testing is finally the same as you proposed, "practice", but with the important difference of using proper methodologies.
A solid understanding of how the involved components and technologies work together greatly helps to interpret results realistically and avoid false conclusions.

The proposed bit test is maybe not something that you would belief, it needs perhaps too much knowledge of how it works. It is just an offer how you can proof quickly that the different digital transfer technologies do not alter the bits, in short: there can not be any sound difference, if the transport is "bit perfect".

Whatever you prefer, you can also do listening tests, but done in a proper way, otherwise you come to the wrong results.
If you trust your ears, then you can not have anything against such a test which excludes any bias, so please do so.

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

20 (edited by arxx 2026-01-16 20:16:49)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

So about practice.. I spent some time switching inputs, and, being honest, I have to admit, that I didn't hear any difference between them. Probably the noticed difference was impacted by recently changed power cords between PC and Meridian. Sorry for the little mess and misunderstanding. And thanks for attention.

But the power cords DO sound, I swear.. smile

21 (edited by ramses 2026-01-16 20:30:30)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

So about practice.. I spent some time switching inputs, and, being honest, I have to admit, that I didn't hear any difference between them. Probably the noticed difference was impacted by recently changed power cords between PC and Meridian. Sorry for the little mess and misunderstanding. And thanks for attention.

But the power cords DO sound, I swear.. smile

Thanks, but sorry, this seems to be the same issue that leads to wrong results.

I assume that it takes a little time to go to the HiFi amp, switch cables, return to your seat, and start playback again.

Therefore, we have two issues here:
1. You know what cable you plugged in, so you have an expectation bias.
2. Your brain cannot remember the sound for so long.

This is not a proper test methodology, excluding psychoacoustic effects.

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

22 (edited by waedi 2026-01-17 01:09:13)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

Yeah, the same old song about digital zeros and ones, no difference, and the stupid audiophiles spending money on nothing.

and you know the song. I would never say stupid but there is some marketing scam behind expensive digital audio cable and you know it.
Of course after getting trapped one needs self convincing proofs against the lost, that leads to placebo effect.
Placebo effect is measured by science and true.
Difference of digital audio cable to the sound would be measurable but there is no.
But thats ok, you are happy with the music then play the album. It's all fine.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

I find that all devices and headphones I own sound astonishing, even all may mobiles including w800 sony walkman phone. All my headphones sound different but all extremely good.All my DA's. My studio speakers sky system one sounds fantastic, my self build speakers sound great. Even 10$ earbuds sound amazing. My old speakers, cheapish Tannoys don't sound that good and what really sounds awfull is my old pioneer headphones from the 80"s.
My mood, for lack of a better word, has the most influence on my listening experience. I understand that buying something new and shiny can put you in the right mood, but so does some meditation or *****.
Cheers

Vincent, Amsterdam
https://soundcloud.com/thesecretworld
BFpro fs, 2X HDSP9652 ADI-8AE, 2X HDSP9632

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

ramses wrote:
arxx wrote:

So about practice.. I spent some time switching inputs, and, being honest, I have to admit, that I didn't hear any difference between them. Probably the noticed difference was impacted by recently changed power cords between PC and Meridian. Sorry for the little mess and misunderstanding. And thanks for attention.

But the power cords DO sound, I swear.. smile

Thanks, but sorry, this seems to be the same issue that leads to wrong results.

I assume that it takes a little time to go to the HiFi amp, switch cables, return to your seat, and start playback again.

Therefore, we have two issues here:
1. You know what cable you plugged in, so you have an expectation bias.
2. Your brain cannot remember the sound for so long.

This is not a proper test methodology, excluding psychoacoustic effects.

What issue? The difference was more then obvious, but the reason was wrong, It was caused by switchng power cords, not 9632 outputs, that's it.
This time try to ger rid of your "guru" role and do your monitors a favour - find them something more decent, then a microvawe oven wire.
For example, I have quite obvious silver plated Furutech 314ag. Metaphorically speaking, even a deaf one would hear what it does with tonal balance and dynamics.
For me it's not even a topic of discussion.
Howewer I really grateful you guys for attention and a chance to practicing my poor Englesh.
I understand, that audiiphile deeds are kinda red cloth for studio guys. But again, practice is the criterion of truth. You reject something you never do.

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Tonal balance and dynamics of a music piece do change when you change the power cable ?
Why should studio-guys mixing engineers take care of tonal balance and dynamics at all ?
Makes no longer sense to produce music with effort, music becomes music thru Furutech cable, right ?

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

vinark wrote:

I find that all devices and headphones I own sound astonishing, even all may mobiles including w800 sony walkman phone. All my headphones sound different but all extremely good.All my DA's. My studio speakers sky system one sounds fantastic, my self build speakers sound great. Even 10$ earbuds sound amazing. My old speakers, cheapish Tannoys don't sound that good and what really sounds awfull is my old pioneer headphones from the 80"s.
My mood, for lack of a better word, has the most influence on my listening experience. I understand that buying something new and shiny can put you in the right mood, but so does some meditation or *****.
Cheers

That's a really positive comment. The discussed card is old af, and not shiny at all. But, comparing to motherboard digital outputs, is was a HUGE improvement. Funny how some geeks told that there is no reason to buy a soundcard for digital output, because 0 and 1 are the same. They are.. but not exactly.
About mood are really brilliant words, because audiophilia is really a poison of infinitive displeasure of sound. I really want to finish my system, forget about it, and enjoy music. God, how I miss Amsterdam..

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

but not exactly.

yes, exactly, otherwise it would be measurable.

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:

Tonal balance and dynamics of a music piece do change when you change the power cable ?
Why should studio-guys mixing engineers take care of tonal balance and dynamics at all ?
Makes no longer sense to produce music with effort, music becomes music thru Furutech cable, right ?

Yes, they change. And speakers do, didn't you know? Customers have different speakers, why then "studio-guys mixing engineers take care of tonal balance and dynamics at all?"
Cables are very sophysticated instrument to make a right tonal, resolution and dynamic balance in your system. It's not even close as an equaliser. Only people with gold ears are able to use it.
Howevew some can pretend, be inspired and so on.

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:
arxx wrote:

but not exactly.

yes, exactly, otherwise it would be measurable.

Wait, do you claim that digital outputs of a random motherboard and a hdsp 9632 sound the same?

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Yes and they do not sound at all. There is no sound in digital data.
The converter turns digital data into sound and the amplifier lifts to volume to the useful level for the loudspeaker.

You can take this as a poem.
You can print the poem to a paper and read it. it is probably beautiful.
Using different paper or a different printer does not change the content of the poem.

But that could be a market.
Let's sell special paper and special printers for bibliophile people.
so they can reprint all their books to optimize the literature.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

31 (edited by ramses 2026-01-17 18:51:03)

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arxx wrote:
ramses wrote:
arxx wrote:

So about practice.. I spent some time switching inputs, and, being honest, I have to admit, that I didn't hear any difference between them. Probably the noticed difference was impacted by recently changed power cords between PC and Meridian. Sorry for the little mess and misunderstanding. And thanks for attention.

But the power cords DO sound, I swear.. smile

Thanks, but sorry, this seems to be the same issue that leads to wrong results.

I assume that it takes a little time to go to the HiFi amp, switch cables, return to your seat, and start playback again.

Therefore, we have two issues here:
1. You know what cable you plugged in, so you have an expectation bias.
2. Your brain cannot remember the sound for so long.

This is not a proper test methodology, excluding psychoacoustic effects.

What issue? The difference was more then obvious, but the reason was wrong, It was caused by switchng power cords, not 9632 outputs, that's it.
This time try to ger rid of your "guru" role and do your monitors a favour - find them something more decent, then a microvawe oven wire.
For example, I have quite obvious silver plated Furutech 314ag. Metaphorically speaking, even a deaf one would hear what it does with tonal balance and dynamics.
For me it's not even a topic of discussion.
Howewer I really grateful you guys for attention and a chance to practicing my poor Englesh.
I understand, that audiiphile deeds are kinda red cloth for studio guys. But again, practice is the criterion of truth. You reject something you never do.

I reject this insinuation.

This is not about drawing a line between ‘studio professionals and audiophiles’ or denying anyone's listening experiences. The topic is exclusively about testing methodology and the question of under what conditions perceptions can be reliably separated from psychoacoustic effects.

If it is claimed that different digital transports (AES, S/PDIF), USB cables or power cables cause differences in sound (when devices are working correctly) then this is a technical claim. Such claims must be measurable or reproducibly verifiable. Without this, they remain subjective impressions – nothing more and nothing less.

Pointing this out is not an ‘ideological standpoint’, but elementary diligence. This is precisely why the RME forum regularly refers to clean level equality, blind tests and controlled conditions. Not to discredit anyone, but to avoid false conclusions arising from expectations, context or comparison errors.

No one is prohibiting personal listening or individual preferences. But as soon as tonal differences are presented as technically real, different standards apply than those used for purely describing personal impressions.

That was the point – nothing else.

BR Ramses - HDSPe MADI FX, M-1620 Pro D, 12Mic, UFX III, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, Nuendo 15, Win10 IoT Ent

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arxx wrote:

But again, practice is the criterion of truth.

Your parroting of disgusting Marxist-Leninist mantras will not make your false arguments any closer to truth, even if you repeat them many times.

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

unpluggged wrote:
arxx wrote:

But again, practice is the criterion of truth.

Your parroting of disgusting Marxist-Leninist mantras will not make your false arguments any closer to truth, even if you repeat them many times.

What exactly do you find disgusting in that sentence? It's pure logic, isn't it? I personally don't care even if wisdom words comes from a discredited character.
And it seems like only you know THE TRUTH. 
Let me guess.. you are young and not so smart, am I right? It's ok, I'm not so smart too.
Anyway, thank you for attention and, let be honest, not the most interesting comment.

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

ramses wrote:
arxx wrote:
ramses wrote:

Thanks, but sorry, this seems to be the same issue that leads to wrong results.

I assume that it takes a little time to go to the HiFi amp, switch cables, return to your seat, and start playback again.

Therefore, we have two issues here:
1. You know what cable you plugged in, so you have an expectation bias.
2. Your brain cannot remember the sound for so long.

This is not a proper test methodology, excluding psychoacoustic effects.

What issue? The difference was more then obvious, but the reason was wrong, It was caused by switchng power cords, not 9632 outputs, that's it.
This time try to ger rid of your "guru" role and do your monitors a favour - find them something more decent, then a microvawe oven wire.
For example, I have quite obvious silver plated Furutech 314ag. Metaphorically speaking, even a deaf one would hear what it does with tonal balance and dynamics.
For me it's not even a topic of discussion.
Howewer I really grateful you guys for attention and a chance to practicing my poor Englesh.
I understand, that audiiphile deeds are kinda red cloth for studio guys. But again, practice is the criterion of truth. You reject something you never do.

I reject this insinuation.

This is not about drawing a line between ‘studio professionals and audiophiles’ or denying anyone's listening experiences. The topic is exclusively about testing methodology and the question of under what conditions perceptions can be reliably separated from psychoacoustic effects.

If it is claimed that different digital transports (AES, S/PDIF), USB cables or power cables cause differences in sound (when devices are working correctly) then this is a technical claim. Such claims must be measurable or reproducibly verifiable. Without this, they remain subjective impressions – nothing more and nothing less.

Pointing this out is not an ‘ideological standpoint’, but elementary diligence. This is precisely why the RME forum regularly refers to clean level equality, blind tests and controlled conditions. Not to discredit anyone, but to avoid false conclusions arising from expectations, context or comparison errors.

No one is prohibiting personal listening or individual preferences. But as soon as tonal differences are presented as technically real, different standards apply than those used for purely describing personal impressions.

That was the point – nothing else.

Damn, you're good in writing.. I even found some new words, like "diligence" or "reproducibly".
But I don't understand why not just to place a highly sensitive mic and measure an AFR with above mentioned Furutech, and, for example, my another power cord XLO Signature2. They sound very different.
And about a part of the "insinuation" - have you tried expenceve cables in your system (studio)?

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

waedi wrote:

Yes and they do not sound at all. There is no sound in digital data.
The converter turns digital data into sound and the amplifier lifts to volume to the useful level for the loudspeaker.

You can take this as a poem.
You can print the poem to a paper and read it. it is probably beautiful.
Using different paper or a different printer does not change the content of the poem.

But that could be a market.
Let's sell special paper and special printers for bibliophile people.
so they can reprint all their books to optimize the literature.

Honestly, the first paragraph was excessive.
The rest was poetic and wague at the same time.
Ok, data is the same, so then the point is about jitter!
The difference between motherboard and 9632 digital outputs is very noticeable!

36 (edited by waedi 2026-01-18 17:28:13)

Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

Jitter is before the converter.
You can't hear Jitter. All you can hear is what the converter delivery to you.

Modern converters are immune.
Thats why I wrote this in post 7 :
Also check out ADI-2 DAC FS, regarding  jitter

Jitter was a problem about 25 years ago or longer.
Then RME invented Steady Clock technology and the war against jitter was over.

M1-Tahoe, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

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Re: Problem with AES output from HDSP 9632

arxx wrote:

But I don't understand why not just to place a highly sensitive mic and measure an AFR with above mentioned Furutech, and, for example, my another power cord XLO Signature2.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. These kinds of tests have been done for decades, with zero scientifically found difference. Plus: it is YOU coming up with this claim, so YOU have to do that and to proove it. No one else.

That said - this thread has shifted far away from RME and is as such not desired in this forum. Thanks.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME