Topic: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Hi,

as I use my UFX+ home in production studio, I've chosen to change the behaviour of the ARC USB "Talkback" switch to "Toggle Totalmix Windows". And it works great, except one tiny detail - can we ask to bring the window to the front when it is showing? At the moment the Totalmix window shows somewhere below all the currently opened windows.

I hope all of us agree that it should behave like that wink

Greetings,
kb

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

+1

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Its already built in...
Options -> Always on Top

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

maggie33 wrote:

Its already built in...
Options -> Always on Top

Nah, that's something else. I want to be able to put the Totalmix to the back;)

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

kamilbaranski wrote:

can we ask to bring the window to the front when it is showing? At the moment the Totalmix window shows somewhere below all the currently opened windows.

Setting an ARC USB button to "Toggle Totalmix Windows"
and...
Setting Options -> Always on Top
...is exactly what you asked for.

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kamilbaranski wrote:

Nah, that's something else. I want to be able to put the Totalmix to the back;)

Did I or you misunderstood sth here?

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

He wants something that temporarily brings the window to the foreground with the push of a button, but will let it move back again when the focus changes to another application. "Always on top" is always on top.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Ok.. so "Always on top" is disabled. Here, on mac, on toggle the ARC button all TM windows get to the frontmost app (on all monitors - right-click the app icon - assigned to all desktops is enabled here). On toggle again, all TM windows hide... (excerpt if terminal is open and "secure keyboard entry" is enabled - but thats a special case)...

Still unsure, if i got it - does he want sth like a "push" option instead of "toggle" in ARC usb settings assignments at all?

Didn't test it in windows as detailed as on mac for now, but afaik, it behaves generally similar.

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Hm, not sure why, but I've just had some cases where TM would appear behind other windows on my PC, can't reproduce it right now. Haven't actually tested it on a Mac yet, can do tomorrow, if necessary.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

RME Support wrote:

He wants something that temporarily brings the window to the foreground with the push of a button, but will let it move back again when the focus changes to another application. "Always on top" is always on top.

His first and second post contradict. Not sure what he really wants.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

10 (edited by waedi 2026-05-07 08:18:57)

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

He wants the toggle Totalmix windows make it upfront but when he click on the window of another app he wants to get this upfront and Totalmix in the back as normal.

"Always on top" is too much for him, its no longer normal.
Click into cubase and it stays covered with Totalmix, not good.

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

I don't see a contradiction, I think he's just claiming this doesn't work as it should on the Mac. Haven't tested that myself so far.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

OK, let's clarify everything smile

  1. I haven't checked it on the Mac, I don't use the ARC USB on the MacOS at the moment.

  2. Yes, "Always on top" is too much for me. I want to be able to cover the Totalmix window with Cubase/Reaper/Notepad/Video/whatever.

RME Support wrote:

He wants something that temporarily brings the window to the foreground with the push of a button, but will let it move back again when the focus changes to another application. "Always on top" is always on top.

Yes, exactly!

When the Totalmix window is on the bottom (under other windows), the current behaviour while using the "Toggle Totalmix Windows" button on Windows is:

  1. hide it,

  2. show it - still under other windows.

And I suggest it should do:

  1. bring it to the front

  2. hide it,

  3. show it AND bring it to the front.

I see the "1. bring it to the front" as optional but it is IMO the expected behaviour. The last "3. show it AND bring it to the front" is crucial. I think this should also make the TotalMix window active one (as at the moment the window shows somewhere but isn't the active window).

This might be important - It always shows on the top when I close the TotalMix with Alt+F4, but it doesn't show on the top when I close it with the toggle button. (Still it doesn't opens as the active window, so I need to Alt+Tab to it or use a mouse first!)

PS. I use the TotalMix FX 2.00 RC 1 x64 at the moment with the new design (beautiful and pretty responsive! I love it!)

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Maybe it works the same, but the current version is 2.01, not 2.00 RC1 (there were 3 minor updates/fixes since then).

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

Kubrak wrote:

Maybe it works the same, but the current version is 2.01, not 2.00 RC1 (there were 3 minor updates/fixes since then).

You're totally right. Unfortunately - I've just upgraded to the 2.01 x64 - it works the same.

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

I don't get why one would want to have TM FX in the background covered by other windows - what is the advantage compared to the current complete hiding?

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

16 (edited by waedi 2026-05-10 12:17:20)

Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

I think OP had experienced a misbehavior mistake by the software on his computer
One of the windows of another software was forced to keep upfront I guess.

Expectation of OP :
Toggle Totalmix windows brings up upfront one or the other Totalmix windows, but it didn't worked.
He thinks the toggle function is not working the right way as he expected.

The function "Toggle Totalmix windows" to use as a trick to flip back and forth between two Mixer windows, instead of using two snapshots...

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

I guess, it is very questonable, whot should happen in this very case.

IMHO, the standard Win behaviour is, that if App is not upfront and something changes in that App, it does not bring it upfront. It stays below/behind upfront Apps.

What OP could do is to close TM instead of covering it by other Apps. Maybe that toggle made by ARC would open TM and bring it upfront. One would have to try.

NOTE.
I guess, RME could implement what OP suggests, but maybe that users with different workflows/habits would mind it, because they are acustomed to current state...

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

MC wrote:

I don't get why one would want to have TM FX in the background covered by other windows - what is the advantage compared to the current complete hiding?

Oh, it's simple. If you open the TM FX window, do some things, and then just click another window (which will cover the TM FX), you can't get to the TM FX with the shortcut ARC key, you need to alt-tab (which is slower and less convenient, also it doesn't have to be ONE alt-tab, often you need to find the TM FX in the stack and alt-tab more times). You can of course remember to always close the TM FX, but you don't want it in all scenarios. For example: often TM FX shares another monitor with DAW mixer. You need to do some changes here, some changes there... Tapping ARC key (once or twice) should be the fastest way to get to the TM FX.

waedi wrote:

I think OP had experienced a misbehavior mistake by the software on his computer
One of the windows of another software was forced to keep upfront I guess.

Expectation of OP :
Toggle Totalmix windows brings up upfront one or the other Totalmix windows, but it didn't worked.
He thinks the toggle function is not working the right way as he expected.

The function "Toggle Totalmix windows" to use as a trick to flip back and forth between two Mixer windows, instead of using two snapshots...

What? wink I use only one totalmix window. The "misbehavior mistake by the software" acts the same regardless of whether the another software is Reaper or Chrome. It might be the misbehavior of Windows or some 3rd party app, but it looks like misbehavior of Totalmix.

Kubrak wrote:

I guess, it is very questonable, whot should happen in this very case.

IMHO, the standard Win behaviour is, that if App is not upfront and something changes in that App, it does not bring it upfront. It stays below/behind upfront Apps.

What OP could do is to close TM instead of covering it by other Apps. Maybe that toggle made by ARC would open TM and bring it upfront. One would have to try.

I made a video about the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5U0iYUoyo

The Totalmix FX:
1. tries to go to the foreground but it can't and stays in background
2. sometimes shows like it is the active application (with the title in black color), but it's still not the active application
3. sometimes isn't the active application even after opening it from the traybar (so you open the totalmix and pressing F3 does nothing instead of going to settings).
4. Why one would want to toggle the visibility of a window which is not visible because it is behind 3 other windows?

Kubrak wrote:

NOTE.
I guess, RME could implement what OP suggests, but maybe that users with different workflows/habits would mind it, because they are acustomed to current state...

If ANYBODY loves their habit of pressing alt+(shift+)tab to find the Totalmix window somewhere in the window stack (I really can't think of an example when it is useful), RME still can leave the option "toggle totalmix window" and just add the option "toggle totalmix window and bring it upfront" wink . But I'm sure it's a bug (or a misbehavior mistake on my Windows) as the Totalmix window taskbar button starts to blink.

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Re: ARC function -> "Toggle Totalmix Windows"

What I can see in the video is that "always on top" off with the totalmix.
Did you try to enable always on top?
ARC button just hides and show the totalmix window but not disable and enable always on top.