1 (edited by n00BRX 2021-12-17 13:10:06)

Topic: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

Hi all,

I am a new owner of the amazing ADI-2 DAC and would like to ask a stupid question here:
I have custom made a XLR to RCA with PIN 2 disconnected for DAC XLR output to a ncore RCA input. I am not sure in this situation, am I losing the +6dbu  even I am using the XLR output?

Thank you
RX

Re: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

Not 100% sure. But do you have a normal cinch cable? It should not create too much effort to cross check with that, 6dB difference are easy to hear.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

3 (edited by KaiS 2021-12-17 13:56:06)

Re: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

n00BRX wrote:

I have custom made a XLR to RCA with PIN 2 disconnected for DAC XLR output to a ncore RCA input.

Maybe just a typo, but ...

It‘s pin 3 (XLR middle one) that should be disconnected.
Pin 3 signal is phase reversed, which under some circumstances can sound different.

You can use an RCA-RCA cable for the same result BTW.

n00BRX wrote:

... am I losing the +6dbu  even I am using the XLR output?

With unbalanced destination this is the only way to do it, yes.
“Losing” sounds so negative, as if a higher level was better in any way.

Usually in a home environment it’s not, just the opposite.

RME ADI-2 DAC can go quite high, above what is needed.
Often passive attenuators are mandatory to fit the level to the power amp connected.

Read here about details, please:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 21#p161721



Insn’t the Hypex NCORE’s input balanced anyway, why not use a XLR-XLR for fully balanced interconnect?

Else you might need this:
(Watch out for the direction in the diagrams below, ADI-2 would be to the LEFT with your current connection!)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/hypex-jpg.111267/

4 (edited by n00BRX 2021-12-17 17:46:53)

Re: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

Sorry for typo and yes it is the PIN 3 which is disconnected in the cable
And I only got the RCA version of the audiophonics  n252 power amp.
I also got a switch to select between RCA Pre out from my AV receiver and XLR from my ADI-2

Switch:
https://www.amazon.com/ONE-Little-Bear- … B00OY0TBMA

Anyway thx for your feedback and I just wanna make sure I am not over driving my power amp if the dbu is normal instead of 6db higher(which means double the voltage) than what it should be

Re: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

KaiS wrote:
n00BRX wrote:

I have custom made a XLR to RCA with PIN 2 disconnected for DAC XLR output to a ncore RCA input.

Maybe just a typo, but ...

It‘s pin 3 (XLR middle one) that should be disconnected.
Pin 3 signal is phase reversed, which under some circumstances can sound different.

You can use an RCA-RCA cable for the same result BTW.

n00BRX wrote:

... am I losing the +6dbu  even I am using the XLR output?

With unbalanced destination this is the only way to do it, yes.
“Losing” sounds so negative, as if a higher level was better in any way.

Usually in a home environment it’s not, just the opposite.

RME ADI-2 DAC can go quite high, above what is needed.
Often passive attenuators are mandatory to fit the level to the power amp connected.

Read here about details, please:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 21#p161721



Insn’t the Hypex NCORE’s input balanced anyway, why not use a XLR-XLR for fully balanced interconnect?

Else you might need this:
(Watch out for the direction in the diagrams below, ADI-2 would be to the LEFT with your current connection!)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/hypex-jpg.111267/

I also agree with you than since my power amp have a +25.6db gain and max power output at 1.66V, it is better to have a lower auto ref (-5db instead of the +1db with Balanced XLR) for better THN+D

Re: Ref level of unbalanced XLR output

You could use ADI-2 DAC‘s feature “Auto Reference Level” if you occasionally want to wake up your neighbors with full power big_smile

Joke aside, it’s really usefull.