Topic: Active speakers recommendation

I'm using the ADI-2 DAC since several months, connected to a Bluesound Node 2i, and a CD player that I use as transport. So far, I only connect with headphones: the Hifiman Arya to the 6.3 socket, and the Meze Rai Penta to the 3.5 socket.

Everything is fine, and I'm 100% happy with the equipment.

However, I lived alone, and now very soon there will be another person living with me. I have thought that it would make sense to buy a pair of active speakers, and connect them to the RME ADI-2 DAC, so we can also listen to music together.

Could anyone recommend a pair of active speakers that you are using with the RME, and with good results?. My first intention is to spend around $1k, but I can invest a bit more if needed.

Many thanks.

Re: Active speakers recommendation

I've Genelec 8330A but they are more expensive than you indicated, and I sit about 70cm to 110cm from them. Since you want to listen to them with another person I assume that you'll sit further away than that, and might want a more powerful monitor.

On audiosciencereview.com there are reviews of many active monitors of various capabilities and price. Here is one poster that made a selection of some of them in various price ranges. Some European brands are more expensive in USA/Canada than in Europe, Genelec for instance.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru … aos.28269/

The index of reviewed speakers, including active, on ASR: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru … rTestData/

3 (edited by bejoro 2022-01-26 07:51:39)

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Neumann KH120
Neumann KH310

Also on audiosciencereview with great results.

4 (edited by ramses 2022-01-26 08:53:52)

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Geithain RL906

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/geithain-rl906

https://gearspace.com/board/high-end/13 … kh120.html

Sorry much over budget, but worth the money. I listened to a lot of monitors before considering those.

Finally I did A/B the RL906 vs KH310 together with a Tonmeister. Initially he wanted to sell his RL906 because of the purchase of the KH310 (therefore my visit). His new Neumanns just arrived at this day and we build them up for A/B.

After A/B comparison he decided to keep both. The RL906 is also analytical but the presentation of audio is more pleasent, not so extremely neutral compared to the KH310. Maybe the box is also a little more special  because of the coaxial design delivering an excellent stereo image and depth.

IMHO there is a noticable difference between KH120 and KH310/RL906.
What adds to the RL906 .. it's compact but still powerful. Also useful: poti at the back to trim total volume.
Bass reflex openings at the top, so that you do not get an over emphasis of bass when placing near the wall and you can't hear airflow noise which is possible when they are placed at the front.

EDIT1: regarding noise:
KS Digital are also well koaxial speaker. Sadly they can be noisy.
RL906 do not have any noise.

EDIT2: Neumann speakers have very tolerances so that its easier / more likely to get a matching speaker.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Depends on the listening distance and use case. Everything recommended so far is near-field or mid-field speakers.

The most budget friendly option would be a pair JBL 305 plus the matching JBL sub. Together ca. 650.- and they do sound pretty great. I have this set myself.

I also have a set of Amphion 3LS which are stunning. But not active and tower speakers. Still Amphion is worth looking into imho.

6 (edited by ramses 2022-01-26 08:12:29)

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Note: sub adds a certain complexity.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Active speakers recommendation

bejoro wrote:

Also on audiosciencereview with great results.

This. Go to audiosciencereview.com and lookup speakers there to get an impression of what they're capable of. Much more valueable than e.g. reviews which are just a wall of text and describe sounds with words after which you still have no idea whether it's good or not, only what one particualar reviewer thought of them.

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Using audiosciencereview.com is fine but don't buy without listening first. Speaker-room interaction determines the sound to a certain extend. Also just like headphones speakers are personal - something that measures really well doesn't need to sound "good" necessarily.

9 (edited by ramses 2022-01-26 09:03:02)

Re: Active speakers recommendation

NoisyNarrowBandDevice wrote:

Using audiosciencereview.com is fine but don't buy without listening first. Speaker-room interaction determines the sound to a certain extend. Also just like headphones speakers are personal - something that measures really well doesn't need to sound "good" necessarily.

+1 Also regarding personal preferences / perception of sound.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Neumann KH 120 A
Neumann KH 80 DSP A
Option after winning the lottery: KH 750 DSP (automatic room modem reduction at the listening position)

But:

Optimal listening with two people is not possible!

By listening with headphones, you are used to direct sound:
Visit a person with a speaker stereo-system in a living room. Sit in the listening position and listen to an audio source. After some time, hold both hands behind your ear and turn your hands until you get the highest volume for high frequencies, ...


In order not to be disappointed, these are the main parameters to consider before looking at where you could borrow speakers for testing:

1. Room: size: area, height (room modes) / material: walls, ceiling, floor (reverberation time)
2. Position of the speakers in the room
3. Listening position to (2)
4. Which lower frequency would you like to hear (at the listening position)?
5. Cables
6. Literature

To 1:
Determine the room modes (standing waves) and the reverberation time. From a technical aspect, influencing the room modes and reverberation time would be optimally possible via passive elements. An electronic influence of the room modes - e.g. via PEQ (ADI-2 DAC has only 5 x peak, the frequency range is limited) - is a compromise solution: e.g. a correction would only be possible for a certain listening position and also only for one person! The impulse behaviour deteriorates.

Calculation of the room modes:
e.g.:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-roommodes.htm
https://amcoustics.com/tools/amroc
...

To 2. and 3.:
Determines the frequencies that are cancelled out or changed in amplitude by reflections from the walls (also ceiling, floor).

To 3.:
Determines the max. required undistorted output (SPL) of the speakers.
The greater the distance between the listening position and the speakers, the less precise the sound.
Optimal listening with two people is not possible! But if the distance is big enough, you both have about the same bad sound and you don't need very good active monitors.

To 4:
The lower this frequency should be, the more difficult and expensive your "loudspeaker project" will be.

Re 5:
Standard microphone cables are sufficient - anything else is wasted money!

Re 6:
https://en-de.neumann.com/
Setting up Studio Monitors Guide (English)
https://en-de.neumann.com/product_files/7670/download
...

https://www.genelec.com
https://www.genelec.com/correct-monitors
https://www.genelec.com/monitor-placement
...

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Optimal listening with two people is not needed to still have a very good listening experience.

Re: Active speakers recommendation

Thanks for the recommendations.

After reviewing the information, and some thinking, I've decided to buy the Genelec 8330A, that it seems will work for me.

Re: Active speakers recommendation

RMErookie wrote:

Thanks for the recommendations.

After reviewing the information, and some thinking, I've decided to buy the Genelec 8330A, that it seems will work for me.

I like those monitors, but note that there are no DIP switches or knobs for adjustment sensitivity, and you'll need the GLM Set for enabling auto standby/wakeup (ISS Genelec calls it). The GLM Set also includes calibration (room EQ) which is very useful. You don't need to have the GLM Set connected after setup.