Topic: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

I have set up a system of W11 laptop to dac via usb, dac to Adam sub7 sub woofer to Genelecs 8030c over XLR cables (active speakers)  The system sounds fantastic with the new RME dac but I have one problem.

When I started the system the volume was deafeningly loud and I coped with it using a very very low volume from Windows 11.  I think I need to change volume values in the dac  - perhaps to: Line Output: Ref Level  to +1 dBu and
Auto Ref Level to OFF .  Does this look right?

How can I make the changes and where does it explain simply what buttons do what.  I have watched an RME video on YouTube but the procedure happens too fast for me to take in, made worse by the fact I do not understand what the button do.  \thid not covered in the manual.

Please can someone kindly give me an idiot's guide to making the setting changes (how and what) I need?  eg 'first you turn this button to show x value and then press that button etc.'

I find the buttons and technique very complicated and need some help, please.

Thanks.

2 (edited by Johannes AU 2022-03-20 21:16:14)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

Active speaker is a speaker with power amp inside, fixed amplification ratio.

Your dac work as a pre-amp to control the volume (output level)

Your PC is the audio source, say music files, if recorded correctly, it plays at full volume without problem.

So, turn down your dac volume with the big middle knob to minimum first, play a music file at the PC with full volume, then turn up the dac volume slowly to reach the desired listening level.

The following with [x] means a button, or the encoder which can press/turn.
Press [SETUP] turn encoder [1] until the display first line shows "Options". turn encoder [2] until the display second line shows "Display", press encoder [2] to reach "Hor. Meter" and turn it again to select "Dual", press [SETUP] again to exit the menu. After you done this, the horrizontal meter shows the source volume (level) with two thin lines, the thicker in between are the output level. Both vertical meter and horizontal meter dance with the music.

Read the manual, understand the dac menu and buttons function, come back later, so that we can have the same common language to assist you more step by step.

Pacifist, dumb, not stupid
Listen music out from a box which sounds
Reading words on paper/ screen

3 (edited by KaiS 2022-03-22 08:12:01)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10 wrote:

I have set up a system of W11 laptop to dac via usb, dac to Adam sub7 sub woofer to Genelecs 8030c over XLR cables (active speakers)  The system sounds fantastic with the new RME dac but I have one problem.

When I started the system the volume was deafeningly loud and I coped with it using a very very low volume from Windows 11.  I think I need to change volume values in the dac  - perhaps to: Line Output: Ref Level  to +1 dBu and
Auto Ref Level to OFF .  Does this look right?

No, this doesn’t help.
Leave ADI-2 DAC in factory configuration.
It’s already optimized for the task.


Use passive attenuators at the ADAM A7 Sub‘s input.
(Supposed the Genelecs are connected to ADAM A7’s output connectors).

Get a pair of these:
https://www.thomann.de/de/jts_ma_123.htm
https://thumbs.static-thomann.de/thumb/padthumb600x600/pics/bdb/436200/13120196_800.jpg


Or these:
https://www.thomann.de/de/shure_a15as.htm
https://thumbs.static-thomann.de/thumb/padthumb600x600/pics/bdb/197430/7545767_800.jpg

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

Thank you. Johannes AU.

What does this procedure do?  What is the purpose of it?

:The following with [x] means a button, or the encoder which can press/turn.
Press [SETUP] turn encoder [1] until the display first line shows "Options". turn encoder [2] until the display second line shows "Display", press encoder [2] to reach "Hor. Meter" and turn it again to select "Dual", press [SETUP] again to exit the menu. After you done this, the horrizontal meter shows the source volume (level) with two thin lines, the thicker in between are the output level. Both vertical meter and horizontal meter dance with the music.

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

Thanks Daw Maatermind.  Would one of these SPL Volume 2 fit the bill?

https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/SPL-Ele … _wQAvD_BwE

Thanks

6 (edited by KaiS 2022-03-21 07:10:34)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10 wrote:

Thanks Daw Maatermind.  Would one of these SPL Volume 2 fit the bill?

https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/SPL-Ele … _wQAvD_BwE

Thanks

I‘d prefer a pair of passive attenuators for a better signal integrity:
In your country:

The one from Shure, £ 110.00 for a pair:
https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Shure-A … 003805-000

The JTS, £ 37.00 for a pair:
https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/JTS-MA- … 015915-000

https://images.musicstore.de/images/0960/jts-ma-123_1_REC0015915-000.jpg


But if you like the active SPL Monitor controller better it would do the job too.

It works a bit against ADI-2‘s design, you can read about the disadvantages in the manual page 65:

Excerpt:
31.13 Digital Volume Control

The ADI-2 DAC deliberately avoids an analog level adjustment by means of a potentiometer. Its digital version surpasses an analog one in practically every conceivable point. Typical disadvantages of setting with potentiometers:

Synchronicity errors lead to panoramic shifts and significant volume deviations left / right, in particular near the end points of the adjustment range.

In the middle setting range, there is an increased crosstalk and changes in the frequency response. Changes in the frequency response also occur at the end regions of the adjustment path.

The setting range for optimum volume adjustment is often too small, or at the lower or upper end of the potentiometer's adjustment range.

Non-reproducible settings (except 0 and 11).

Higher THD/THD+N. A point well known to measurement technicians. As soon as an analog potentiometer is in the signal path, the unstable contact between wiper and resistive track causes noise, which contains both THD (distortion) and N (noise), even in the stationary state. Thus the -110 dB of a DAC quickly gets reduced to for example -80 or -70 dB.

7 (edited by Johannes AU 2022-03-21 05:57:40)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10 wrote:

Thank you. Johannes AU.

What does this procedure do?  What is the purpose of it?

:The following with [x] means a button, or the encoder which can press/turn.
Press [SETUP] turn encoder [1] until the display first line shows "Options". turn encoder [2] until the display second line shows "Display", press encoder [2] to reach "Hor. Meter" and turn it again to select "Dual", press [SETUP] again to exit the menu. After you done this, the horrizontal meter shows the source volume (level) with two thin lines, the thicker in between are the output level. Both vertical meter and horizontal meter dance with the music.


That helps you to evaluate how many dB of attenuation you need for your desired listening level. KaiS already mentioned the passive attenuators.

Pacifist, dumb, not stupid
Listen music out from a box which sounds
Reading words on paper/ screen

8 (edited by stillhopeful10 2022-03-21 23:15:49)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

From reading articles on the web, the answer in my case seems to be to have the Windows laptop usb source volume and connected genelec speakers, as loud as possible, and the dac digital volume set as low as possible, on the basis that the latter will retain its resolution better at lower volumes than the genelecs.

9 (edited by Johannes AU 2022-03-22 06:32:54)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10 wrote:

From reading articles on the web, the answer in my case seems to be to have the Windows laptop usb source volume and connected genelec speakers, as loud as possible, and the dac digital volume set as low as possible, on the basis that the latter will retain its resolution better at lower volumes than the genelecs.

Yes, it is correct, however, if the dac volume is too low then will affect the use of "Dynamic Loudness", so a pair of passive attenuators will help, as KaiS recommended (attenuator will not affect audio quality).

Start listening and enjoy it by turning the volume up/down to experience and find the desired level.

At the same time, you can also adjust the subwoofer volume and position, etc.

Pacifist, dumb, not stupid
Listen music out from a box which sounds
Reading words on paper/ screen

10 (edited by KaiS 2022-03-22 09:39:44)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10 wrote:

From reading articles on the web, the answer in my case seems to be to have the Windows laptop usb source volume ... as loud as possible,...

Kind of true, set to 100 %, not above!


stillhopeful10 wrote:

... and connected genelec speakers, as loud as possible, and the dac digital volume set as low as possible, on the basis that the latter will retain its resolution better at lower volumes than the genelecs.

Wrong in general, and makes absolutely no sense for your case.


Your sub has no volume control.

So, with Genelec’s volume controls you have to set the balance to the Sub.
So don’t change that, or you will change the bass amount.

Anyway, Genelec’s Volume setting has no influence on their resolution, only their loudness is affected.


Next:
Of course any DAC has it’s best Signal to Noise Ratio and highest resolution when it makes full use of it’s dynamic range, say, when the signal is high.


Opposed to others DACs, ADI-2 Pro uses a digital volume control, as described some postings above.
If you dial down to -40 dB, the DAC chip works at 1/100 of it’s normal level.
(Due to the clever “Auto Reference Level” function in reality the situation is better, but still about 1/10 of normal).

“Auto Reference Level’s” optimum working range is for volume settings between 0 dBr and -24 dBr.

Get the passive attenuators to fit the Volume dial range to your listening level, and you’re done!


For the JTS, £ 37.00 for a pair, is money very well spend:
https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/JTS-MA- … 015915-000

https://images.musicstore.de/images/0960/jts-ma-123_1_REC0015915-000.jpg

11 (edited by Johannes AU 2022-03-22 08:40:45)

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

stillhopeful10, please note that the Adam sub7 volume control is only control itself, the phase and the frequency of the sub as well. The pass through(satellites out is not affected), the Genelec can be set by its sensitivity control and tone controls.

KaiS offered the best recommendation, use Auto-Ref, you can acheive best performance.

In case you do not have the manuals, below are the links:

https://www.adam-audio.com/content/uplo … -en-de.pdf
https://assets.ctfassets.net/4zjnzn055a … _gb_fi.pdf

Pacifist, dumb, not stupid
Listen music out from a box which sounds
Reading words on paper/ screen

Re: Newbie RME ADI-2 dac volumes mayday...

sic!