1 (edited by mruebsamen 2023-01-04 11:08:36)

Topic: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

Is there a chance we get an little hint if there is a successor of the ADI-8 QS on the way, with updated converters like in the ADI 2-Pro fs series? THis would be fantastic smile
Don‘t get me wrong, I think the ADI-8 QS is still a great piece but it‘s been on the market since 16 years which is quite some time for a converter… I‘m desperately looking for 2 x 8 channel high quality ADDA converter…

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

I think the ADI-8 QS is still a great converter.

It even supports 4 reference levels at inputs and outputs: +24 dBu, +19 dBu, +13 dBu, +4.2 dBu.
The setting +4.2 dBu corresponds to consumer level with 12 dB headroom.

The converters are with 12/10 samples converter latency (AD/DA) @44.1 kHz still fast and compareable to e.g. UFX II/+.

The values for THD are partly on a similarly high level as for the new M-1610 Pro and ADI-2 Pro FS. The ADI-2 Pro has only for A/D better values ("by another decimal place").

From other products / threads we can read that different converter (AK vs ESS) deliver no other / better sound. Same well and transparent AD/DA conversion. Most important for such a product seems to be that all relevant components are well designed.

Advantages of more modern products might be more in the following areas:
- easier handling via display / browser
- possibility to adjust the reference level per port

And if it is of importance for you:
- even faster converters for direct monitoring or integration of external devices
- even higher SNR/DR (which is measurable but inaudible)

The successor of ADI-8 QS is M-1610 Pro. If you need more channels: M-32 Pro AD and M-32 Pro DA.
Both products support MADI (per SFP module) and AVB. They can be configured at either the display or via Browser (LAN).

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

3 (edited by ramses 2023-01-04 12:03:11)

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

Is your question more about audible or measurable differences?
If audible, can you perform a blind test between ADI-8 QS and e.g. M-1610 Pro?

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

ramses wrote:

Is your question more about audible or measurable differences?
If audible, can you perform a blind test between ADI-8 QS and e.g. M-1610 Pro?

Not at the moment. But I made some tests years ago with the FireFace 800 and the Prism; and there were differences. Isn‘t the ADI 8QS made in the same time?

I also could hear immediately a difference between the ADI 2 Pro FS (which we also have, and I think this is a fabulous converter) and the ADI 2. I know that that our mind plays game with us, but this was quite obvious.

A couple of years ago we did some serious testing / comparisons with Prism Orpheus, RME m32AD pro, ADI 2 Pro Fs and Mergin Horus (white noise tests, pink noise, different music, 0-tests, 10 x conversion, etc.) They were all very close. We decided for the m32 AD pro and never regret it smile

Thank you for your help

5 (edited by ramses 2023-01-04 14:01:17)

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

Thanks for the information, very interesting.

So, I think it could be interesting to you to perform a blind test between ADI-8 QS and M-1610 Pro.

Maybe there is no audible differences between ESS and AK converter of current products because they are manufactured at about the same time. Between ADI-8 QS and M-1610 Pro (or also M-32 Pro) are a couple of years… Possibly, it could make a little difference.

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

ramses wrote:

… The successor of ADI-8 QS is M-1610 Pro. If you need more channels: M-32 Pro AD and M-32 Pro DA.
Both products support MADI (per SFP module) and AVB. They can be configured at either the display or via Browser (LAN).

Actually I need less channels and in 2 devices :-/
2 x 6 I/O is what I actually need. So 2 x 8 I/O is just great. 2 x 16 In and 2 x 10 Out are  quite to much sad

7 (edited by ramses 2023-01-04 14:37:58)

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

The price difference between the two products is not high, simply ignore that for €100 more the M-1610 has more input channels than required ;-)

https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_adi_8_qs.htm         €2499
https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_m_1610_pro.htm    €2599

You will get a device with MADI and AVB support, Steadyclock FS, redundant power supply and you can send audio also out through ADAT if needed. Line levels are selectable on a per port basis, which can be very useful as well.

And .. the M-1610 Pro is available, this is also important :-)

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

ramses wrote:

The price difference between the two products is not high, simply ignore that for €100 more the M-1610 has more input channels than required ;-)

https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_adi_8_qs.htm         €2499
https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_m_1610_pro.htm    €2599

You will get a device with MADI and AVB support, Steadyclock FS, redundant power supply and you can send audio also out through ADAT if needed. Line levels are selectable on a per port basis, which can be very useful as well.

And .. the M-1610 Pro is available, this is also important :-)

Thank you, this is a good advice smile I guess I go for this.  Do you have an idea for an AVB switch?

9 (edited by ramses 2023-01-04 16:11:36)

Re: Successor of ADI-8 QS?

Sorry, I do not know many AVB switches or whether there could perhaps be a difference in quality.
For your environment, it might be important to have a fanless device.

Things to consider:
- how many ports you require in total (whether the AVB switch replaces perhaps an existing switch)
- whether switch needs to be remote manageable through web browser or CLI

Regarding remote access via web browser. Is your computer connected to another switch? Or do you need to connect the AVB switch to other non-AVB switches in your network?

In a larger network you need to ensure that audio traffic is not being forwarded through non-AVB switches.
Audio packets need to go through AVB cable switches end to end.

Check this document: https://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/ … b-1107.pdf

BR Ramses
UFX+, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub12Pro