borisovonline wrote:ramses wrote:The difference in RTL between UFX+ with TB and UFX III with USB3 is just around 0.35ms. At a speed of sound of around 343 m per second, the distance is just (only) 12 cm. Musicians on stage have to live with much higher latencies, right?!
Would you consider that as a significant difference for your applications? Especially since the RTL quickly rises to significantly higher ranges of over 10 ms with increasing buffer sizes anyway? Then the 0.35ms differences are really quite insignificant and can be ignored.
Or name your use case in which this statement of yours this should be relevant.
The purpose of my table is not to demonstrate any "night and day" differencies of products, the opposite is the case, I want to demonstrate how efficient the drivers are and how close all these values of different products are no matter whether we talk about USB2, USB3, FW, TB or PCIe.
Yep, you’re right.
I just don’t like the idea of USB itself because of CPU usage and serial nature and prefer PCIe.
Anyway, I’ve never encountered any significant problems with my previous Babyface (blue gen.). Maybe had 5-6 times with synchronisation quirks in a DAW.
I felt the same like you in the past and even had Firewire as a preference over USB when I bought my 1st RME product, the UFX.
Then I found out that USB runs even better (at that time I had different HW and not all samplerates worked well at every ASIO buffersize) and it gave me the advantage to be able to perform firmware upgrades.
A little later I became interested in getting a PCIe based RayDAT and to use the UFX in standalone mode.
I noticed that it was possible, but at the end of the day I had no real advantage in terms of RTL. Finally I found out that having to operate two interfaces was a little but combersome.
Then finally I got the UFX+ with Octopre XTC and additionally ADI-2 Pro for the monitoring.
As I had no thunderbolt based mainboard I had to use USB3 and it was no issue.
The RayDAT was still in the PC but not in use, but I was able to perform some load / stress tests to compare UFX+ with USB3 vs. RayDAT (PCIe). Finally I noticed that there was no real difference in terms of stability. USB and PCIe performed both well.
400 tracks, 803 VST, 16 GB DRAM usage .. and playback worked well at the lowest ASIO buffersize at 44.1 and 96 kHz.
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … cks-de-en/
Since then I didn't worry anymore not having something PCIe or TB based ;-)
If you still have your preferences, fair enough. I only wanted to ask you to open your mind and that maybe experiences of the past do not necessarily have to be generalized. Best is to stay open minded. At the end this often gives you more options.
For my applications, it was more interesting to get the smallest converter latency, so UFX III. But this is also more a "gut" feeling, not 100% convinced whether the upgrade from UFX+ to UFX III was really needed. But I have a better feeling with the smallest latency, as I use the UFX III as parallel effect loop for two Marshall combos and also the guitar is connected to the UFX III (to be able to re-amp if needed) .. therefore I wanted the smallest AD/DA conversion latency, even if the difference appears to be small.
BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14