• Dom
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Topic: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Hello,

I have seen reports over here about this but buried in other threads:

On MacOS Ventura with the 4.08 driver, I get constant glitches in audio when there's a system sound playing (e.g. email notification).

The only solution is to switch to internal audio interface on the Mac Studio.

Is this a known issue and is there a possible workaround? I want to use my RME UFXIII to listen to sounds from the Mac Studio so switching the audio interface for internal sounds is a workaround but not a solution.

MacOS Ventura 13.6
RME UFXIII
Mac Studio M2 Ultra

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

switching off system sounds would be another workaround.

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

waedi wrote:

switching off system sounds would be another workaround.

Hmmm... not really.
Sometimes clients want to listen to Spotify tracks on the fly or YouTube videos for referencing.
It's really not viable- I am just wondering if RME are aware of this.

4 Reply by waedi (edited by waedi 2023-10-27 14:02:19)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Ah I see you mean audio from the computer, not system sound.
System sounds are these blings and peeps from the OS like email notification etc.
You can turn off these with the volumen slider in the system settings and still listen Youtube and all.

Your issue is then when software playback produces glitches.

M1-Sonoma, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue
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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Yes, indeed - I would honestly like to keep the sounds as they are- turning off sounds takes me back to the terrible Windows XP DAW optimization routines, we should be past that by now.

I never had an issue with RME until now- I wonder if it's an Apple Silicon teething problem with the existing drivers.
Most importantly, I am interested to know if they acknowledge it. I've seen reports but no one touched on the issue.

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

The problem is, the issue is not reproduceable.
Your interface connected to my MacbookAir M1 probably has no issues at all.
MadifacePro with 409 driver works fine here.
The issue is reported often and RME and Apple surely know about and try their best to get rid of it.
Hopefully the next Sonoma update will fix it...

M1-Sonoma, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

7 Reply by stephan_martin (edited by stephan_martin 2023-10-28 07:43:29)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

I've read in a blog post regarding live sound on stage, that you have to keep the buffer size at 256 or lower on Apple Silicon, otherwise there a great risk that some process which is involved in audio run on the efficiency cores instead of the high performance cores, which might cause glitches.

Can this be the reason in this case?

I have myself had issues similar to this with my UCX II, but not with ADI-2 DAC FS which runs in class compliant mode.

8 Reply by Dom (edited by Dom 2023-11-01 12:26:24)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

waedi wrote:

The problem is, the issue is not reproduceable.
Your interface connected to my MacbookAir M1 probably has no issues at all.
MadifacePro with 409 driver works fine here.
The issue is reported often and RME and Apple surely know about and try their best to get rid of it.
Hopefully the next Sonoma update will fix it...

The issue is reproducible on two completely different systems here.


1. Macbook Pro M1 Max
2. Mac Studio M2 Ultra

Do you use a relatively heavy project when testing this?

The only common denominator is the RME UFXIII (and of course, MacOS)



I was hoping the latest MacOS update would fix it (13.6.1) but nope, still there.

This is what worries me the most, from what I see over here, this is being reported but I'm not sure if it's been looked into.

EDIT: One thing to note is that I have at least 5 other audio interfaces in the studio that do not have these issues that the UFXIII has on the same exact systems. We are talking from sub- 100 euro interfaces to mastering converter USB interfaces.

9 Reply by waedi (edited by waedi 2023-11-01 17:40:33)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Thats interesting.
What system extensions are installed on both your computers but not on mine ?
My M1 Mac is actually on OS 14.1 upgrade to Sonoma did solve similar issues to many users already...
You could compare the list and for a test exclude those who are only on your systems.
Or you post your list here and I compare.
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acfsctl.kext
AFKACIPCKext.kext
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AOPAudioDriver.kext
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Apple16X50Serial.kext
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AppleBacklight.kext
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AppleBusPowerController.kext
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AppleCSEmbeddedAudio.kext
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AppleGPIOICController.kext
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AppleHIDTransport.kext
AppleHighVoltageCharger.kext
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AppleHPM.kext
AppleHSSPIHIDDriver.kext
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AppleIISController.kext
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AppleIntelCFLGraphicsVAME.bundle
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AppleIntelKBLGraphics.kext
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AppleIntelLpssDmac.kext
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AppleIntelLpssI2CController.kext
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AppleIntelSlowAdaptiveClocking.kext
AppleInterruptController.kext
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AppleIOPADMAStream.kext
AppleIPAppender.kext
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AppleIRController.kext
AppleJPEGDriver.kext
AppleKeyStore.kext
AppleKMPHDCPManager.kext
AppleLightningErrorHandler.kext
AppleLMBacklight.kext
AppleLockdownMode.kext
AppleLPC.kext
AppleLSIFusionMPT.kext
AppleM2ScalerCSC.kext
AppleM68Buttons.kext
AppleMatch.kext
AppleMCA2_T600x.kext
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AppleMCCSControl.kext
AppleMCDP29XX.kext
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AppleMCP89RootPortPM.kext
AppleMesaSEPDriver.kext
AppleMetalOpenGLRenderer.bundle
AppleMIDIBluetoothDriver.plugin
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AppleMIDIRTPDriver.plugin
AppleMIDIUSBDriver.plugin
AppleMikeyHIDDriver.kext
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AppleMobileDispH11G.kext
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AppleMobileDispH14G.kext
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AppleMobileFileIntegrity.kext
AppleMultiFunctionManager.kext
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AppleMultitouchDriver.kext
AppleNANDConfigAccess.kext
AppleOLYHAL.kext
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AppleOnboardSerial.kext
AppleParavirtGPU.kext
AppleParavirtGPUIOGPUFamily.kext
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AppleParavirtIOSurface.kext
AppleParrot.kext
ApplePassthroughPPM.kext
ApplePerfPolicyControllers.kext
ApplePIODMA.kext
ApplePlatformEnabler.kext
ApplePM40100MgmtEP.kext
ApplePMGR.kext
ApplePMP.kext
ApplePMPFirmware.kext
AppleProResHW.kext
ApplePTD.kext
ApplePVPanic.kext
AppleQSPIMC.kext
AppleRAID.kext
AppleRemoteIOP.kext
AppleRSMChannel.kext
AppleRSMDevice.kext
AppleRTC.kext
AppleS5L8920XPWM.kext
AppleS5L8930XUSB.kext
AppleS5L8940XDWI.kext
AppleS5L8940XI2C.kext
AppleS5L8960XNCO.kext
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AppleS8000AES.kext
AppleS8000DWI.kext
AppleSamsungSerial.kext
AppleSamsungSPI.kext
AppleSART.kext
AppleSDXC.kext
AppleSEPGenericTransfer.kext
AppleSEPHDCPManager.kext
AppleSEPKeyStore.kext
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AppleSerialShim.kext
AppleSleepPowerPolicy.kext
AppleSmartBatteryManager.kext
AppleSmartIO2.kext
AppleSMBIOS.kext
AppleSMBusController.kext
AppleSMBusPCI.kext
AppleSMC.kext
AppleSMCLMU.kext
AppleSMCRTC.kext
AppleSPIMC.kext
AppleSPMI.kext
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AppleSPU.kext
AppleSRP.kext
AppleSSE.kext
AppleSTDP2700.kext
AppleStockholmControl.kext
AppleStorageDrivers.kext
AppleSummitLCD.kext
AppleSynopsysMIPIDSI.kext
AppleSyntheticGameController.kext
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AppleT8301USB.kext
AppleT8310ANEHAL.kext
AppleTCA6408GPIOIC.kext
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AppleThunderboltDPAdapters.kext
AppleThunderboltEDMService.kext
AppleThunderboltIP.kext
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AppleThunderboltPCIAdapters.kext
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AppleThunderboltUTDM.kext
AppleTopCase.kext
AppleTriStar.kext
AppleTrustedAccessory.kext
AppleTwisterErrorHandler.kext
AppleTypeCPhy.kext
AppleTypeCRetimer.kext
AppleUpstreamUserClient.kext
AppleUSBACM.kext
AppleUSBAudio.kext
AppleUSBCDC.kext
AppleUSBCommon.kext
AppleUSBDeviceMux.kext
AppleUSBDeviceNCM.kext
AppleUSBDisplays.kext
AppleUSBDMM.kext
AppleUSBECM.kext
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AppleUSBEthernet.kext
AppleUSBEthernetHost.kext
AppleUSBHostS5L8930X.kext
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AppleUSBHSIC.kext
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AppleUSBLightningAdapter.kext
AppleUSBMike.kext
AppleUSBNCM.kext
AppleUSBNetworking.kext
AppleUSBRealtek8153Patcher.kext
AppleUSBSerial.kext
AppleUSBWCM.kext
AppleUVDM.kext
AppleUVDMDriver.kext
AppleVADriver.bundle
AppleVideoToolboxParavirtualization.kext
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AppleVirtIOBiometrics.kext
AppleVirtIONeuralEngineDevice.kext
AppleVirtIOStorage.kext
AppleVirtualGraphics.kext
AppleVirtualPlatform.kext
AppleVortexErrorHandler.kext
AppleVPBootPolicy.kext
AppleVPCredentialManager.kext
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AppleXsanScheme.kext
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asp_tcp.kext
AUC.kext
AudioAUUC.kext
AudioDMAController_T600x.kext
AudioDMAController_T602x.kext
AudioDMAController_T8103.kext
AudioDMAController_T8112.kext
autofs.kext
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BootCache.kext
BootPolicy.kext
BridgeAudioCommunication.kext
BridgeAudioController.kext
cd9660.kext
cddafs.kext
CellPhoneHelper.kext
Compression.kext
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corecapture.kext
corecrypto.kext
CoreKDL.kext
CoreStorage.kext
CoreTrust.kext
DCPAVFamilyARCSupport.kext
DCPAVFamilyProxy.kext
DCPDPFamilyProxy.kext
DCPMIPIProxy.kext
Dont Steal Mac OS X.kext
EAP-RSA.ppp
EncryptedBlockStorage.kext
EndpointSecurity.kext
ExclaveKextClient.kext
exfat.kext
FairPlayIOKit.kext
HFS_MacCentralEurRoman.kext
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HFS_MacJapanese.kext
HFS_MacKorean.kext
HFS.kext
HFSEncodings.kext
InvalidateHmac.kext
IO80211Family.kext
IOAccelerator2D.plugin
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IOAccessoryManager.kext
IOAccessoryPortUSB.kext
IOACPIFamily.kext
IOAHCIFamily.kext
IOARCFamily.kext
IOATAFamily.kext
IOAudio2Family.kext
IOAudioFamily.kext
IOAVBFamily.kext
IOAVFamily.kext
IOBDStorageFamily.kext
IOBiometricFamily.kext
IOBluetoothFamily.kext
IOBluetoothHIDDriver.kext
IOBufferCopyController.kext
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IOCDStorageFamily.kext
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IOCryptoAcceleratorFamily.kext
IODARTFamily.kext
IODisplayPortFamily.kext
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IOFireWireAVC.kext
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IOFireWireSBP2.kext
IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolTransport.kext
IOGPUFamily.kext
IOGraphicsFamily.kext
IOHDCPFamily.kext
IOHDIXController.kext
IOHIDFamily.kext
IOHIDPowerSource.kext
IOImageLoader.kext
IOKitRegistryCompatibility.kext
IOMobileGraphicsFamily-DCP.kext
IOMobileGraphicsFamily.kext
IONDRVSupport.kext
IONetworkFamily.kext
IONetworkingFamily.kext
IONVMeFamily.kext
IOPAudioDriverFamily.kext
IOPAudioIOBufferDevice.kext
IOPAudioLPMicDevice.kext
IOPCIFamily.kext
IOPlatformPluginFamily.kext
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IOReportFamily.kext
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IOSkywalkFamily.kext
IOSlaveProcessor.kext
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IOSMBusFamily.kext
IOStorageFamily.kext
IOStreamFamily.kext
IOSurface.kext
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IOThunderboltFamily.kext
IOTimeSyncFamily.kext
IOUSBDeviceFamily.kext
IOUSBFamily.kext
IOUSBHostFamily.kext
IOUSBMassStorageDriver.kext
IOUserEthernet.kext
IOUserSerial.kext
IOVideoFamily.kext
iPodDriver.kext
KernelRelayHost.kext
KextAudit.kext
L2TP.kext
Libm.kext
lifs.kext
mcxalr.kext
msdosfs.kext
nfs.kext
NVMeSMARTLib.plugin
NVSMU.kext
OSvKernDSPLib.kext
pmtelemetry.kext
PPP.kext
PPPoE.kext
PromiseSTEX.kext
pthread.kext
Quarantine.kext
RTBuddy.kext
RTBuddyV3.kext
Sandbox.kext
SEPHibernation.kext
SMARTLib.plugin
smbfs.kext
SMCMotionSensor.kext
SoftRAID.kext
System.kext
tmpfs.kext
triggers.kext
udf.kext
UVCService.kext
vecLib.kext
watchdog.kext
webcontentfilter.kext
webdav_fs.kext
WLANDriver.kext
XrtHostedXnu.kext



MacHD - Library - extensions : 6 files

AuthenticationSupport.plugin
AuthenticationSupportEnabler.plugin
CrystalDriver.kext
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10 Reply by Kubrak (edited by Kubrak 2023-11-02 03:07:05)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Computer is not phone or tablet.... Using big.little for time critical tasks is asking for troubles. If not treated right.

What about switching little cores off? I am not sure, if it is possible on Mac.. I am on Win.  But if it is possible, it is worth trying...

11 Reply by Dom (edited by Dom 2024-01-16 20:51:44)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

I am wondering if this is fixed in MacOS Sonoma.
I have updated to 4.09 with the same issues.
Just to give you an idea, say I hit a shorcut while I am on my DAW that is *not* assigned to anything, MacOS will play a sound indicating that this shortcut does nothing. Even this causes interruptions in audio.

The most frustrating thing is I've tried other interfaces (budget ones as well) and they don't exhibit this problem that my UFXIII has.

Has anyone had this problem solved with Sonoma?

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

While Sonoma definitely improved performance the easier way to check seems to install driver 3.31 from here:

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=38691

If that still does not work 100% try the new Safety Offset option 'Large'.

Installing this driver seems easier than installing a new OS. Note that you have to use the Recovery mode procedure as explained in the driver readme.

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

MC wrote:

While Sonoma definitely improved performance the easier way to check seems to install driver 3.31 from here:

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=38691

If that still does not work 100% try the new Safety Offset option 'Large'.

Installing this driver seems easier than installing a new OS. Note that you have to use the Recovery mode procedure as explained in the driver readme.

Hi Matthias,
Thanks a lot for the suggestion.
So I guess the strategy is to install the USB drivers first and *then* the Kernel Extension drivers?

Is Apple not discontinuing the Kernel Extensions anyway? Has this changed?
Sorry if I've missed something but I thought eventually we'd have to migrate to the non-kernel drivers.

14 Reply by gmarinov (edited by gmarinov 2024-01-17 21:27:25)

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Re: Glitches when system audio plays on MacOS Ventura

Dom wrote:

So I guess the strategy is to install the USB drivers first and *then* the Kernel Extension drivers?

Is Apple not discontinuing the Kernel Extensions anyway? Has this changed?
Sorry if I've missed something but I thought eventually we'd have to migrate to the non-kernel drivers.

hi. I use Fireface UCX with MacOS Ventura 13.6 on a Mac Studio M2 Max. To use the kext drivers, you'll want to uninstall the DriverKit client drivers first.

In my experience the DriverKit client driver did not perform well on Ventura and, in their own video, RME appear to suggest that installing the kernel extension drivers is the way to go at the moment. This is what I've done and it appears to work although ever so slightly less stable than Firewire was on my old Mac. Occasionally macOS complains that the kernel extension will stop working, in some unspecified date in the future, and I click to ignore the warning, and go on with my day.

You are correct, Apple is discontinuing the kext drivers but on Ventura they still work. The intent hasn't changed, but the change itself still hasn't happened, possibly because it's proving problematic for vendors (RME demonstrably being one, if this forum and their video is anything to go by)

You haven't missed anything. Eventually we'd have to migrate to Driverkit client drivers. We don't really know when. If I was buying an audio interface _today_, i'd look for a thunderbolt box.

Hope this helps.

Fireface UCX, Focusrite OctoPre, Sound Devices MixPre-D, Mac Studio M2 max, macOS Sonoma