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RME User Forum → AVB/Dante - Network based devices → 12mic and Mac AVB not appearing
So I have a new 12mic connected via ethernet to my Mac (Version 14.5 ).....If I run the RME connecter or access via web I can control the unit! (Definitely a connection) BUT the unit doesn't come up in the "Network Device Browser".
Am I missing something here? I thought Mac supported AVB? I have the 12mic connected directly to my Mac with a USB Hub with ethernet port.
I was hoping it would come up as an audio interface??
It doesn't work like that.
Follow this tutorial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Rkl7T … ZiIA%3D%3D
It's a bit old but still valid.
Having a look right now. Thank you
Hmmm I suspect it's because the USB dongle hub I'm using is not AVB compatible (Hyperdrive). I'll probably have to buy a Thunderbolt 3/4 to Ethernet AVB compatible dongle. Will this work?
https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/H … e5892b8413
I'm not 100% sure. The previous TB2 version is compatible. This one surely is: https://www.sonnettech.com/product/solo … rview.html but 4 times the price.
Yeah it is a bit frustrating. What I find also strange is that the ethernet connection can control the 12 mic. Everything works EXCEPT the AVB interface coming up in the Network Audio. It would make more sense of the unit to not work AT ALL without the correct LAN AVB dongle. Anyway,....I will purchase the Thunderbolt/Ethernet apple dongle and see if it works
We would appreciate a short feedback if it works or not. Thank you in advance.
Definitely will let you know.
Yeah it is a bit frustrating. What I find also strange is that the ethernet connection can control the 12 mic. Everything works EXCEPT the AVB interface coming up in the Network Audio.
This isn't strange at all. AVB is just an extension to the Ethernet standard (well, to be precise, it's an addition to the "IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks–Bridges and Bridged Networks", which is developed in the 802.1 working group responsible for LAN/MAN technologies, but let's not get lost in details here). So it's plain, normal Ethernet, extended by real time capabilities.
And both the 12Mic's web interface as well as the network control protocol used by RME Connector are using standard TCP over plain old IP which runs on a variety of underlaying link layer technologies including Wifi, Ethernet and AVB capable Ethernet.
It's unfortunate that, as of now, very few Thunderbolt Ethernet adapters support the builtin AVB capabilities of MacOS, but quite understandable, once you are aware of the heavy lifting that is happening under the hood in order to guarantee deterministic transmission and ultra-precise timing.
To my knowledge, apart from the older TB2 adapter by Apple (which can be used together with Apple's TB2-TB3 adapter), it's Sonnet (1G and 10G dongles) and OWC (10G dongle and some of their docking stations). I haven't tested the latter, but it really boils down to the chipset used being supported (which is detected by MacOS and it just doesn't work otherwise), so they all should do the job.
Thanks for the reply. I’ll connect it all up today and update everyone with
HI all, so this is confusing me. I have connected the 12mic to my MacBook Pro M3 with the Apple Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter, then the Thunderbolt 2 to Ethernet adapter as described. The computer sees the unit and it appears on the ATDECC AVB Configurator but it doesn't come up in the Network Device Browser. What am I messing up here?
I was expecting it to come up and then have access to it through Logic
TIA
Just to add too,....when I connected the unit to my older I Mac,...it DID pop up in the network device browser, but as soon as a clicked the "12mic" icon, it disappeared only to return about 5 seconds later. Starting the loop all over again.
I am not using the rme AVB interface as the selling point was that the 12mic could natively communicate with my Mac
read this thread:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=36384
I had the same problem
Thanks! I got it up and running but WOW what a complete PITA!
I was hoping it would be significantly easier.
It still doesn't come up in the Network Audio though does it?
read this thread:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=36384
I had the same problem
What exactly do you mean by "the Network Audio"?
Please also let us know which MacOS version you are using. This makes a huge difference, as Apple is constantly improving their AVB implementation (...in order to make the user experience smoother as it is now...).
"Network Audio" seems to be the window Netzwerkgeräteübersicht from Audio-Midi-Setup
I mean Network Device Browser. I am running Mac Sonoma Version 14.5
I see. The Network Device Browser can be safely ignored. Background:
Apple provides two modes:
- The "acquire mode", where an AVB endpoint (= 12mic in your case) is completely captured by MacOS and becomes a core audio device. It is "acquired" by MacOS, thus the name, which means it cannot be connected to other AVB devices on the network. Plus it requires the endpoint to be configured/to behave in a very specific way, which makes it incompatible with Milan devices.
- The "virtual entity" mode, where the network adapter becomes the AVB device. Now you have two "normal" AVB devices in the network, in your case the 12Mic and the MacOS' network adapter.
The last mode is what we inofficially support. Not officially, because, as you figured, it's not a great user experience. The newest MacOS, Sequoia (currently beta), is a huge step forward in that regard. Once it's released, we should do a video how to do an initial setup.
For the time being, I'm happy to hear that it's working on your end now! As I said, just ignore the Network Device Browser. This mode is outdated anyways.
Thanks all for the replies. I look forward to the next Mac OS then. Sounds like it’s going to make life a lot simpler.
I’m still struggling to get mic 9-12 working. I assume this is a 2nd stream or something.
Is someone able to give me advice on just how to get all 12 mics to come up as logic inputs 1-12?
I can get 1-8
Sure the Mic inputs 9 - 12 are routed correctly ?
see page 68
The output streams of the 12Mic are by default empty, containing a clock signal but no audio signal. To send audio with AVB, a routing must be created for each outgoing stream.
Each of the eight outgoing AVB streams can have a size of 1-8, 12 or 16 channels in AM824 and AAF stream formats, or 0 channels in CRF Media Clock stream format.
To change the amount of channels and its format in the outgoing AVB stream on the device:
Okay, Finally got everything working. It is a bit of a different headspace the whole audio networking thing. Thanks everyone for all your help and community support!
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