1 (edited by bsigvert 2024-10-31 21:38:10)

Topic: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Hello RME Forum.

I have a question that I can't find a definitive answer to about this unit, before I buy.

My question is:

Can I use the RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition to
1. Run a stereo analog mastering chain from and to my DAW via the AD/DA?
2. Monitor the master output on headphones?
3. Monitor the master output on my main monitors?

All at the same time?

Or do the main outputs on the back (XLR Left+Right and the two Jack L/R outputs) mirror each other, making it impossible to monitor you master out from the daw and send a stereo signal to you mastering chain.

The reason I'm asking is that I want to use this as my main monitor and I/O solution in my mastering setup - that would be awesome. But I'm not sure if it can do all og these things simultaneously.

Thanks in advance

Bjørn

2 (edited by KaiS 2024-10-31 23:29:13)

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

In general:
Have a look at ADI-2/4 Pro SE.
For your purpose it has some advantages regarding analog routing.
Specifically that rear TRSs out can be independently feed by DA-channel 3/4, while XLRs out can be from DA-channel 1/2.

Can I use the RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition to
1. Run a stereo analog mastering chain from and to my DAW via the AD/DA?

Yes.

2. Monitor the master output on headphones?

Yes.

3. Monitor the master output on my main monitors?

Yes.

All at the same time?

The limitation is, you have two stereo DA-channels.
So, while running an analog mastering chain you CAN monitor through both speakers AND headphones, but not with independent sound and volume control.

As monitoring through both at the same time doesn’t make too much sense, the various switching options between front and rear (e.g. push the Volume dial for 1/2 second) should suffice for the job.


Or do the main outputs on the back (XLR Left+Right and the two Jack L/R outputs) mirror each other

Yes on ADI-2 Pro – no on ADI-2/4 Pro SE.
On ADI-2 Pro the front TRS PH 3/4 typically would be used to drive the mastering chain.
Albeit it’s a dedicated ‘phones out, audio quality is exactly the same like the rear line outs.
With proper cable even an impedance balanced send is possible, if needed.

3 (edited by bsigvert 2024-11-01 08:22:27)

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Thank you so much for an extensive answer!

Maybe the ADI-2 Pro FS R isn’t ideal for my situation then. I was just intrigued by having a unit that did it all, and had the great converters. And I think that the price for the 2/4 version is too much for the added feature, comparatively.

Maybe my situation calls for a setup using a something like this:
- UFX-II as my main interface for the ad/da i/o on the mastering chain
- A dedicated headphone DAC like a Topping DX7 pro plus via adat

How do they compare regarding conversion?

All the best
Bjørn

4 (edited by KaiS 2024-11-01 14:28:54)

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

For extensive studio work a recording interface always is a good idea, at least if you intend to do stuff beyond mastering.

The built-in headphone amp in the UFX series is more than sufficient to drive most headphones to ear-bleeding levels.
No need for extra hustle with extra boxes.
What ‘phones do you use?

The converter quality is beyond good and bad in any case.



On the other hand, as mentioned above, ADI-2 Pro in fact IS suited as central unit for in-the-box producing, vocal- and instrument-overdub and analog mastering.
Just the connection is little unconventional, but without audio compromise.

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Yeah, I really want to get into the analog domain, I’m just now trying to figure out how and what I need. Been working itb up until now. I wanted something so I could build a mastering chain as well as a dedicated headphone dac, as I’m primarily working in headphones due to sleeping kids. I use Audeze MM-500 and Apollo twin X now, but wanted a better dac. Hence the UFX-2 + Topping dac combo. And this combination gives me more I/O at a marginally more expensive package than the API-2/4 option.

Then it’s maybe only up to how good the conversion is on the units?

I mainly plan to mix and master though analog gear, while having a good monitoring solution for headphones and monitors.

And I think that the api-2 pro fs R routing option is a bit too unconventional for me to achieve what I want, and then I don’t get individual volume for headphones and monitors, and I have to route I analog out from the front.

I really appreciate your help

All the best
Bjørn

6 (edited by ramses 2024-11-01 12:29:42)

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Hi Bjørn,

I think the best flexibility you get by combining an RME recording interface with TotalMix FX
and then additionally ADI-2 Pro FS or ADI-2/4 Pro SE.

You can integrate them easily into your setup as shown in this blog article:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

The Apollo Twin X you can't use for this purpose because it is missing an ADAT output
It's somehow a shame that Apollo didn't provide a pair of ADAT I/O for in and out in this price range.

It would be better anyway to use an RME recording interface because TotalMix FX gives you the best comfort and flexibility when it comes to monitor mixes, routing and additional nice features.

Additionally you get RoomEQ with recording interfaces like UCX II, UFX II (and or course UFX III).

The combination of UFX II and ADI-2 Pro FS R BE would be ideal because it gives you many options in terms of I/O (price around €3798).

A less expensive alternative would be to use the UCX II and ADI-2 Pro FS R BE instead (price around € 3028).

Both interfaces UFX II and UCX II offer an AES port, which also provides galvanic isolation. Especially important on the UCX II with only 1x ADAT I/O to keep that port free for any potential future expansions.
If you do not need ADAT for other purposes then connect the reference converter via ADAT, otherwise you need to use the breakout cable for AES. So, using ADAT is one cable less.

A safer investment is the UFX II with AES and 2x ADAT I/O because then you can even connect two 8-port devices or one at double speed if you should decide to work in double speed.

Just as an information: the UFX II (and UFX III with MADI) have the same converter as the former reference converter ADI-2 Pro FS.

So, if you do not necessarily want or need the advantages and special features of the ADI-2 Pro FS or ADI-2/4 Pro SE, then you could also start with UFX II or even UFX III which gives you even more flexibility by MADI to connect even more devices if you think that could be needed in the long run.

Only to put one example, why UFX III with MADI might be useful.
If you should be interested connecting smth like a 12Mic or M-1620 Pro in the future, then
a) 1 ADAT port of UCX II would be too few
b) remote control via Auxdevice is only possible via MIDI over MADI as the 12Mic has no MIDI ports, but you could use RME connector via LAN
c) if you should intend to work at double speed, then even 2x ADAT I/O would only be sufficient for connecting devices with 8 ports, but not 12mic or M-1620 Pro.

If you can exclude to expand the setup, or in other words, if the primary use to work "itb" then you do not need UFX III and MADI.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Question about the capabilities of RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Thank you for a really detailed and helpful answer.

I found a really good deal on a ADI-2 DAC fs with akm chip so I’m going with that instead of DX7 pro +, and then I’m gonna go for the UFX ii, iii or + I think. Then all use the Adi dac for monitoring and ufx for i/o.

I think that’s a good combination for my use.
What do you think?

All the best
Bjørn