1 (edited by Manuel 2016-06-16 22:46:14)

Topic: Phase vs Polarity

From the Totalmix manual:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98636804/Forums/RME/2016-06-16-224200%20Phase%20reverse.png

Phase L. Inverts the phase of the left channel by 180°.
Phase R. Inverts the phase of the right channel by 180°.

The terms "phase reversal" and "phase inversion" are meaningless and incorrect: Phase can be shifted in the time domain, not inverted or reversed. Those switches in Totalmix don't do anything to phase, all they do is reverse the polarity of the incoming signal, which is the same as multiplying by -1. This has nothing to do with the time domain.

Also, talking of a "180° phase shift" is meaningless in the context of a non-periodic audio signal which not only changes over time but is also made up of many different wave components each having different frequencies. Measuring phase shift in degrees is only suitable for the unlikely case of periodic waveforms, that's why oscilloscopes use units of time to measure phase shift.

Perhaps RME could consider using the correct terminology, like this:

Polarity L. Reverses the polarity of the left channel.
Polarity R. Reverses the polarity of the right channel.

Cheers!

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Re: Phase vs Polarity

Thanks for the note. You are most probably right. I can't remember any mixing desk having a Polarity button, but Phase. That said the question is if 'Polarity' will cause more support questions than 'Phase' does (near zero), no matter which of both are the correct term.

> Those switches in Totalmix don't do anything to phase

The phase between left and right channel is 180° or inverted. That is true no matter if analog or digital, and is  the reason this function got that name long ago.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Phase vs Polarity

The differentiation is correct technically (random Google search result: http://thehub.musiciansfriend.com/tech- … us-phase), but colloquially, everybody knows what "phase reversal" or so refers to...

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Re: Phase vs Polarity

If "phase" is the term most people understand, then better leave it big_smile Some manufacturers use "polarity reverse switch", some "phase reverse switch"; I've seen both in different manuals. I guess the important thing is we know what the switch really does and when to push it.

What seems to be universal is the use of the symbol "∅" to label polarity reverse switches, so much so that many people have been lead to think ∅ is the symbol for phase, whereas physicists, mathematicians and electronic/electrical engineers use Greek letters, not ∅.

The term "phase" is used almost certainly because, for some simple waveforms (sine, triangle, square), a 180° phase shift gives the same results as reversing the polarity. Of course, this is purely coincidental and most naturally occurring waveforms don't have this property.

Thanks smile