1 (edited by mscili 2019-09-01 19:53:45)

Topic: SRC with "factor 1"? Please, quick help to understand

This forum is a great source of information, thanks for that! Since a few days I'm the happy owner of an ADI-2 Pro FS. It sounds and works wonderful, but there is a point that I'm not sure I'm understanding correctly.

I connect the ADI-2 to my old AMC cd player from the late 1990s via coaxial SPDIF. In the automatic AD/DA mode the clock goes to SPDIF and the SRC is on SPDIF too. So I guess the SRC is somehow active, but with a "factor" of 1 (the clock is the SPDIF clock before and after SRC, right?). What does the SRC do in this situation?

I'm asking this question because my impression, listening, is that (with the clock always on SPDIF) it sounds "better" (more stable stereo image and more coherence through the frequency spectrum) with the SRC on SPDIF, compared to the SRC switched off. I would have expected no difference, but I definitely hear a change. On the other side, I cannot really hear a difference with SRC on SPDIF and switching between INT and SPDIF clock.

I'm just curious to understand better what the SRC is doing when the clock is on SPDIF and the signal also comes from SPDIF. Of course, it's possible that I'm "dreaming" those differences... But I honestly don't think so; they are subtle but definitely repeatable.

Thanks a lot!

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Re: SRC with "factor 1"? Please, quick help to understand

The differences are measurable, but not audible. You need to do the test blind (with help of a third person) to realize that you can't reliably tell one from the other.

Technically you got it all correct. 'Factor 1' is the ideal for a SRC, minimizing all kinds of noise and distortion. I measured both ways so you can see the difference, SPDIF Slave direct and through SRC. The result at the analog output is limited by the DAC, of course, and there is zero difference, as the SRC itself clearly outperforms the DA conversion.

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/images/adi2pro_int_srcon.png

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/images/adi2pro_slave_srcon.png

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/images/adi2pro_xlr_out.png

(For the geeks: the analog output measurement has been done with an active notch filter into the input of an ADI-2 Pro. It won't get better no matter how much money you spend on an Analyser wink

You might say Noise and Distortion are just two of more parameters to check. Let's have a look at the frequency response and phase shift. I used an old tool called HolmImpulse, but one could also use REW to do the same (both are free). The pic shows the expected outcome. The SRC has (must have) a self-adjusting digital filter, but it is steep and usually doesn't influence the frequency response in a negative way. One can see a very small drop above 20 kHz. The phase shift is ridiculously low (DAC filters usually cause much higher values) and stays below 10° up to 20 kHz. None of this is audible.

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/images/holmimpulse_adi2pro_src.png

To better see the details here is a bigger version:

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/images/holm … _large.png

Of course there is much more to see/measure when the SRC has work to do (no 1:1 ratio).

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: SRC with "factor 1"? Please, quick help to understand

Many thanks Matthias! It's interesting to see all this, now I understand much better what is going on. In a way it doesn't really matter if I'm really hearing something or if I'm imagining something: I'm happy to understand a bit how it works...!
Thanks for offering such a great device as the ADI-2 Pro!

Best regards,
Marco

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Re: SRC with "factor 1"? Please, quick help to understand

You're welcome!

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME