Topic: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Hey everyone, new RME user here.

I have a Fireface UFX II and I noticed it was significantly warmer than my previous interface (Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre), especially on the left side above the inputs. So far I've made it a habit to leave the computer and interface on at night, only switching them off whenever I know I am not going to use them the following day.

Should I switch the interface off every night and switch it back on every morning? Is there any guidelines about this?

2 (edited by ramses 2020-06-07 18:54:17)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

There is no reason to be over cautious, but powering-off electronic devices reduces the wear and saves some energy.

There are a few exceptions in the IT .. e.g. some harddisks were designed to run at 24/7 and frequent power cycles increased the wear, ...

With a recording interface it is not much different to lets say: TV, computer, HiFi, ...

Simply do as you like, but I personally would turn devices off if you do not use them for more than lets say 3+ hours.

Depends also on the amount of devices, if you have a studio with a lot of devices, then powering off might be done after a workday, but not for a 1-2h lunch break in the middle of the day.

My PC is a multi-purpose solution: recording, office, gaming, internet browsing.
I only turn it off over night or when having an outside appointment.
But I differentiate .. key components that need to be on are on.
Components that are only required for recording are being powered-on on demand.

For this I am using three power outlet strip's ..
One the 1st the usual stuff is connected to.
The 2nd one has additional components for office work and light in the evening, chargers and stuff like that.
The 3rd one has everything which I need for recording my amp. The amp, power for effects, multieffects, tube mic, etc.

By this I can very efficiently turn on and off what I need ...
And stuff that I do not need often can stay powered-off, then I have a) no wear, b) do not waste energy for no reason
and the room stays cooler.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Lophophora wrote:

Hey everyone, new RME user here.

I have a Fireface UFX II and I noticed it was significantly warmer than my previous interface (Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre), especially on the left side above the inputs. So far I've made it a habit to leave the computer and interface on at night, only switching them off whenever I know I am not going to use them the following day.

Should I switch the interface off every night and switch it back on every morning? Is there any guidelines about this?

I have a question for you since you went from a CLARETT 8PRE to a UFX II.  Was your Clarett USB based on PC?

What latency were you getting with clarett in your system and what do you feel/hear/notice/interpret as differences between the RME and the Clarett?  On "paper", the Clarett has super crazy insane specs and I am actually "lightly" considering one of those over my current fireface400.

4 (edited by Lophophora 2020-06-08 02:22:48)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

ramses wrote:

There is no reason to be over cautious, but powering-off electronic devices reduces the wear and saves some energy.

Thanks for your insight!

nateandrews wrote:

I have a question for you since you went from a CLARETT 8PRE to a UFX II

Yes it was a USB interface on Windows 10. It's hard to give you an accurate answer on latency since it depends on so many factors, sample rate and buffer size to begin with... and I was switching sample rates often so the values were constantly changing. What I can tell you is that the values were certainly not impressive at all. It was never a problem for me because I do very little recording and a lot of mixing/mastering, but I remember being disappointed to see that the latency values were generally higher than my former interface (a Roland Octa-Capture, which I still have and works great, it's dedicated to a drum kit recording now).

A word of warning: I replaced my Clarett by the UFX II because the Clarett was faulty. The main outputs started emitting loud pops and cracks for a second or two each time I was changing sample rates. On top of that, I had random DAW crashes that I never had with the Roland, and I had to work at high buffer sizes otherwise I got the infamous audio glitches, which seemed really weird considering that I have a pretty powerful computer (AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core @ 3,79 GHz, RAM 64 GB, fast SSDs...)

The good news is that every Focusrite interface bought after Jan 2018 is under a 36 months warranty so Focusrite offered to send a new one after receiving mine. But I had enough of the Focusrite driver unreliability and that is why I decided to go with RME because my main criteria was reliability.

I can't say much about the UFX II since I've been using it only 1,5 days. But here's a few things I can already say:

I didn't like the Focusrite Control software, the Total Mix FX program is 1000 times better.
Focusrite customer service is extremely slow (then again, that might be true for every manufacturer during Covid crisis)
The UFX II doesn't look as good as the beautiful Clarett

My first choice was initially the Antelope Discrete 8 but I read too many bad things about its unreliability on Windows. That is why I went with RME.

Not sure what "crazy insane specs" you are referring to but virtually every interface with a big name has good preamps and converters. It all comes down to reliability and features in the end. I don't know if you're into cars but to make an analogy, to me Focusrite is like Aston Martin: it's beautiful, it sounds good but it's not as efficient as you would expect in real life and it's not reliable. RME is like BMW or Porsche: real powerful engineering and ergonomics, and reliable even though it might not look as impressive. On ly time will tell whether I'm right but I'm confident smile

5 (edited by ramses 2020-06-08 07:06:28)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Lophophora wrote:
ramses wrote:

There is no reason to be over cautious, but powering-off electronic devices reduces the wear and saves some energy.

Thanks for your insight!

Sounds like you expected more. Only what else to say, really. If you are worried about the lifetime of your devices, well then power them off if you do not need them.

Apart from the fact that a UFX II has many more channels and, more importantly, features than the Focusrite Clarett 8 Pre. That's just a different class of device with many more capabilities and therefore needs more energy. The Focusrite has not a fraction of the total functionality of an UFX II.

And if something on the case gets warm, there's no reason to be worried. It's good if heat is dissipated to the outside and that's perfectly normal with such units no matter whether you have a UFX, UFX II, UFX+, Octamic XTC, ...

I am not sure how you built your device into a rack or something .. leave a little bit space around devices in a rack if you have no active cooling, to enable for a little bit airflow around the cases of devices. I have e.g. 3 devices in a 4 RU rack to enable for some air flow on the top and bottom of UFX+ and Octamic XTC.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

ramses wrote:

Sounds like you expected more.

No there was no irony whatsoever in my comment, sorry if my quote editing made you feel that way. I realise it's for me to decide when to switch the devices off, I guess I was just surprised that there was such a difference in temperature on the outer case compared to my other devices.

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Loph - Thanks for the feedback on the Focusrite.  I was considering a Clarett 8PRE becuase of the SPDIF in and out and the "on paper" specs about THD, noise floor, AD/DA specs etc but am going to just stick with my 15 year old FF400 for now.  I think RME wins the game due to their drivers and totalmix power.  The FF400 has a ...  not ideal INST input on it, and I'm sure there are things now that "sound better" but the important thing is the driver performance.  I have almost  the same PC as you, just built a RYZEN 3900X machine and am running Cubase.

8 (edited by ramses 2020-06-09 07:15:11)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Focusrite .. a little bit off-topic, but I can contribute to this ...

6-7y ago I was using the Focusrite flagship Liquid Saffire 56.
The handling of the mixer software was tbh a pain and I was always struggeling with it.
The FW drivers caused issues and I lost around 30m of a recording because during 4h operation of all sudden an ASIO buffersize of 256 was not sufficient anymore. Troubleshooting caused another lost 1h.
The manual was also unsatisfactory in that regards.
The LED's on the device were not accurate I read in a review from a user who measured it.
The poti's which are being used were only useable in the last ~20%.

The later USB products (Scarlet) were even worse in terms of that now even loopback operation was not supported anymore for a long time in the whole (!) USB product line.

With RME you do not have all of these hassles and once understood TM FX has the best logic operating concept.
Its a real gift to be able so save all the settings digitally in snapshots and also Workspace Quick select is very helpful.

Finally do not forget all the useful toolset around like DIGIcheck and TM FX Remote, that you get for free. Alone for such tools you normally would have to pay a lot of money if you compare with other VST on the market. And DIGIcheck data is very accurate because you get it from the FPGA inside of the recording interface.

After getting my 1st RME product (UFX) RME felt much more like a professional product where you felt from the beginning that "engineers who know" spend a lot of time to make things right.

That said .. I wouldn't be impressed simply by a few dB more here or there its the overall package that you get what really counts and reliability and operability for the daily business.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

I had a focusrite too, 2011-2018. No complaints about its' sound quality really, but it was a bit clunky and once I got an RME as a replacement, I wished I'd blown the cash back in 2011. RME interface(s) just seemed loads more stable, looked better, countless routing options; basically it's streets ahead and now I realise you get what you pay for. Also (and this is important) I find myself using it more then the Scarlett I had. It stays set up, it becomes straightforawrd to understand and you have a better flow going on. But the focusrite smaller models are a perfectly fine way into home recording for the price; the secondhand stores are full of them (which may or may not explain a lot).

10 (edited by ramses 2020-06-10 17:55:55)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

> are a perfectly fine way into home recording for the price

Sometimes this consumer stuff is already quite expensive ... if you stay at this level maybe fine.
But usually people evolve and get higher demands and then you can run into limitations very quickly.

Problem: you need or want to sell  the consumer stuff then and realize you do not get much money for this stuff.

If you are starter, then you do not have the overview over products and do not know how much better
a product from RME can be with all the benefits we know ..

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

I agree - when I bought the scarlett is was like a Rolls Royce to me. So you can understand why an RME was well out of reach at that time. Not that I'm loaded nowadays but I had to step up, I'd ran out of inputs for a start and had always dreamed of an RME.
Problem with some cheaper equipment is that if the software is a bit sloppy, people can get put off the whole recording thing entirely, and the quality of their PC has a lot to do with it. This is a shame.

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

I will be sticking with my 15 year old fireface400.  i dont think any other company has the same driver stability and overall performance.  thanks for all the feedback on the focusrite stuff.  i am no longer considering the clarett 8pre

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

This is so very true.  The software means just as much, if not more to me than the hardware.  There is a lot of great hardware interfaces out there, most of the differences are splitting hair, but when it comes to stability, support and low latency, RME drivers are second to none, which is why I will stick with them.  If only the PSU in their units didn't constantly go belly up....

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Yes for sure.. and now that I am getting better at and more familiar with TOTAL MIX (huge thanks to ramses on here) I am going to be sticking with RME.  My shit is so rock solid and stable, it's just silly.  Not even a BLIP of stability problem with my old ass fireface 400.

15 (edited by ramses 2020-06-12 21:18:18)

Re: Is it safe to leave the Fireface on all the time?

Many thanks and you're welcome wink

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13