Topic: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

With a Babyface Pro FS, is it possible to send vocals into a DAW, add DAW effects, add DAW instruments, and then route all that into Zoom?

I’ve followed the tutorials on using TotalMix with Zoom and the Loopback setting.  This lets me send the DAW’s instruments or recorded tracks into Zoom.  It also lets me send the dry mic signal into Zoom.  But I’d like the mic to be processed by the DAW and only the DAW.

I’ve tried this with Ableton and Logic, and can’t get it to work.

Really appreciate any help.

2 (edited by waedi 2021-02-06 04:22:12)

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

You have the sound from the DAW already in Zoom by doing the loopback trick in Totalmix, great, that's almost done.
I have Logic, there you must have an audiotrack where you receive the mic.
The button R must be pressed for activate this channel for recording (and for receiving the mic signal)
In this track you add all the processing to the mic you want.
Then you just move the fader up and mix this signal to the main out.
May be you should also press the button I monitoring ? I am not shure if it monitors then the dry signal or the processed...

M1-Sonoma, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

waedi wrote:

You have the sound from the DAW already in Zoom by doing the loopback trick in Totalmix, great, that's almost done.
I have Logic, there you must have an audiotrack where you receive the mic.
The button R must be pressed for activate this channel for recording (and for receiving the mic signal)
In this track you add all the processing to the mic you want.
Then you just move the fader up and mix this signal to the main out.
May be you should also press the button I monitoring ? I am not shure if it monitors then the dry signal or the processed...

Thanks so much for the help!

The problem is that engaging Loopback seems to cut off the mic signal to Logic.  I’ve read in other threads that Loopback can have this effect.

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

Do not use the same channel for Loopback as you want to use for Mic input it can go wrong.
Connect Mic to input 1
In Totalmix choose an unused output, let's say adat7/8, click that output channel and push the fader from the software playback channel 1/2 up for sending the DAW sound to output 7/8, click the Loopback button of output 7/8, now you have your DAW sound on the input channel 7/8.
In Zoom you choose channel 7/8 as the source channel ! There you go.

M1-Sonoma, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

waedi wrote:

Do not use the same channel for Loopback as you want to use for Mic input it can go wrong.
Connect Mic to input 1
In Totalmix choose an unused output, let's say adat7/8, click that output channel and push the fader from the software playback channel 1/2 up for sending the DAW sound to output 7/8, click the Loopback button of output 7/8, now you have your DAW sound on the input channel 7/8.
In Zoom you choose channel 7/8 as the source channel ! There you go.

Unfortunately, Zoom and similar apps don't let you choose audio channels.  You have to use 1/2.

6 (edited by waedi 2021-02-06 13:31:27)

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

Can you choose another input for the Mic ? Maybe input 3/4 ?
What is the interface you use ?
Ah I see its the Babyface.
Thats difficult. You don't have an additional device with more mic pres ?

M1-Sonoma, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

> Thats difficult.

There is another solution I remember from one of MC's postings.
If you use loopback on a HW Output, like AN1 OUT in this case, then the Mic signal on HW Input AN1 is not lost!
Its still there and you can route it to another HW Output of your choice, activate loopback there as well and
record through the corresponding input.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

ramses wrote:

> Thats difficult.

There is another solution I remember from one of MC's postings.
If you use loopback on a HW Output, like AN1 OUT in this case, then the Mic signal on HW Input AN1 is not lost!
Its still there and you can route it to another HW Output of your choice, activate loopback there as well and
record through the corresponding input.

Well, it looks like this might work.  Thanks very much!

I actually tried this before posting, but apparently did something wrong because it didn't seem to work.  Now it's looking promising.  Specifically, there seem to be levels in Zoom both from a MIDI instrument and a mic with DAW effects.  I won't know for sure if it works until I experiment some more and try an actual Zoom meeting.

If anyone is interested, I will post a step-by-step once I'm more confident that this works.

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

velacordovaramon wrote:
ramses wrote:

> Thats difficult.

There is another solution I remember from one of MC's postings.
If you use loopback on a HW Output, like AN1 OUT in this case, then the Mic signal on HW Input AN1 is not lost!
Its still there and you can route it to another HW Output of your choice, activate loopback there as well and
record through the corresponding input.

Well, it looks like this might work.  Thanks very much!

I actually tried this before posting, but apparently did something wrong because it didn't seem to work.  Now it's looking promising.  Specifically, there seem to be levels in Zoom both from a MIDI instrument and a mic with DAW effects.  I won't know for sure if it works until I experiment some more and try an actual Zoom meeting.

If anyone is interested, I will post a step-by-step once I'm more confident that this works.

If you confirm this is working step-by-step would be highly appreciated!

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

So, the method suggested by ramses seems to work.

Here are the basic steps.

The goal is to have a DAW mix of sources connected to the Babyface Pro sent to a DAW for effects, combined with DAW midi instruments or backing tracks, and all sent to Zoom.  To keep things simple, this example has just one mic connected to the first XLR input of the Babyface Pro, and one MIDI track in the DAW.

A.  In TotalMix:
1. Click on the AN 1/2 output (bottom row).
2. Enable Loopback for the AN 1/2 output.
3. Raise the fader for the AN 1/2 output.
4. With the AN 1/2 output still selected, raise the fader for the software input AN 1/2 (middle row).
5. Note: DO NOT raise the fader for any other physical or software input.

B.  If you want to monitor with headphones, in TotalMix:
1. Click on the PH 3/4 output (bottom row).
2. Raise the fader for the PH 3/4 output.
3. With the PH 3/4 output still selected, raise the fader for the software input AN 1/2 (middle row).
4. No Loopback is needed here.

C.  In TotalMix:
1. Click an unused output in the bottom row.  Let’s assume you pick ADAT 8.  (If you see “ADAT 7/8” rather than “ADAT 8”, you should make “ADAT 7/8” mono and then ADAT 8 will be shown separately).
2. Enable Loopback for the ADAT 8 output.
3. Raise the fader for the ADAT 8 output.
4. With the ADAT 8 output still selected, raise the fader for the AN 1 input (top row) (that is, where the mic is physically connected).

D.  In the DAW, set the main output to channels 1/2 if not already set.  For example, in Ableton that means setting "Master" to channels 1/2.

E.  In the DAW:
1. Set the MIDI track to the main DAW output (e.g., "Master" in Ableton).
2. Turn on monitoring for the track (for example, in Ableton select "In").

F.  In the DAW:
1. Create an audio track.
2. Set the audio track’s input to the channel corresponding to the output chosen in step (C).  For example, if the output chosen was ADAT 8, and the DAW is Ableton, this would be channel 12.
3. Set the audio track's output to the main DAW output (In Ableton, that's "Master").
4. Set the new track to software monitoring (in Ableton, that's the "In" setting).

G. In Zoom’s audio preferences:
1. Select the Babyface as the “microphone”.
2. Select the Babyface as the “speaker”.  This will allow the audio from others in the Zoom meeting to go into your headphones.  I saw a YouTube video stating that this may cause a feedback loop for the other people, but I tried it out briefly and did not experience it, yet.
3. Uncheck the “Automatically adjust microphone volume” box.
4. Check the “Show in meeting option to Enable Original Sound” box under “Music and Professional Audio”, and check all the other boxes here unless you have a reason not to.
5. When you start the Zoom meeting, use the option to enable original sound at the top left of the screen.

As noted above, I tested this setup briefly today and it seemed to work.

If you have another source connected to the Babyface, like a guitar on the INS 3 input, you'll need to replicate steps (C) and (F) for that source, using a separate unused TotalMix output and a separate DAW audio track.

Hope all this helps and works!

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

Fantastic! Thanks for such detailed writeup.

12 (edited by ramses 2021-02-07 11:07:33)

Re: Routing All Audio from DAW to Zoom

@velacordovaramon: Congratulations on getting it done and being kind enough to document it for others.

@RME: a big thank you to RME for the clean, logic, outstanding product design. Without that basement things like this would not be possible. Special thanks to the developer and his efforts !

It's really great what you can do with TotalMix FX.
I could bet that you wouldn't have been able to achieve that functionality and flexibility with other manufacturers' mixer software.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13