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Topic: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

As this has been asked quite often, here the differences and release dates of the different ADI-2 DAC/Pro models so far:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaxllwnz7cntrr2/ADI-2%20Pro%2BDAC%20Models%20-%20Differences%20and%20Release%20Dates-v003.jpg?dl=1


This blog article gives additional information to this topic: https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … ses-EN-DE.
Many thanks Curt962 for reviewing the english version.

ADI-2 DAC and Firmware v35 vs v39

If you have the ADI-2 DAC FS with AKM chip, stay with v35, v39 is only required for the new model with ESS chip.

MC: "Yep, the 39 has zero changes for non-ESS DACs. That's why it is not released as official update - no need to update at all. The new DACs ship with that firmware." (-> https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 2#p173092)

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Ramses,

Very nice overview of the RME Product Line-Up.  Perhaps RME would consider making it a "Sticky"

Well done Friend!

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Thanks Curt.

Regarding the "Mod edit" / *) comment
Matthias? You renamed ADI-2 DAC FS to ADI-2 DAC and added the comment.

But if I am not mistaken, the product with the new DAC CHIP AK4493 and new MRC has been renamed to "ADI-2 DAC FS".
And ADI-2 DAC FS is also the new name of the latest product on Webserver.
https://www.rme-audio.de/de_adi-2-dac.html

So I tend to say the entry for the 11/19 model needs to be restored to "ADI-2 DAC FS".

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ramses wrote:

Thanks Curt.

Regarding the "Mod edit" / *) comment
Matthias? You renamed ADI-2 DAC FS to ADI-2 DAC and added the comment.

But if I am not mistaken, the product with the new DAC CHIP AK4493 and new MRC has been renamed to "ADI-2 DAC FS".
And ADI-2 DAC FS is also the new name of the latest product on Webserver.
https://www.rme-audio.de/de_adi-2-dac.html

So I tend to say the entry for the 11/19 model needs to be restored to "ADI-2 DAC FS".

I have the old version and it has clearly ADI-2 DAC FS written on it.

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Shikyo wrote:
ramses wrote:

Thanks Curt.

Regarding the "Mod edit" / *) comment
Matthias? You renamed ADI-2 DAC FS to ADI-2 DAC and added the comment.

But if I am not mistaken, the product with the new DAC CHIP AK4493 and new MRC has been renamed to "ADI-2 DAC FS".
And ADI-2 DAC FS is also the new name of the latest product on Webserver.
https://www.rme-audio.de/de_adi-2-dac.html

So I tend to say the entry for the 11/19 model needs to be restored to "ADI-2 DAC FS".

I have the old version and it has clearly ADI-2 DAC FS written on it.

Old version in what regards exactly ? No MRC, no AK4493 (without SD LD D/A filter) ?

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ramses wrote:
Shikyo wrote:
ramses wrote:

Thanks Curt.

Regarding the "Mod edit" / *) comment
Matthias? You renamed ADI-2 DAC FS to ADI-2 DAC and added the comment.

But if I am not mistaken, the product with the new DAC CHIP AK4493 and new MRC has been renamed to "ADI-2 DAC FS".
And ADI-2 DAC FS is also the new name of the latest product on Webserver.
https://www.rme-audio.de/de_adi-2-dac.html

So I tend to say the entry for the 11/19 model needs to be restored to "ADI-2 DAC FS".

I have the old version and it has clearly ADI-2 DAC FS written on it.

Old version in what regards exactly ? No MRC, no AK4493 (without SD LD D/A filter) ?

Right. There's no model called "ADI-2 DAC". Both the 4490 and 4493 versions are called "ADI-2 DAC FS".

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Thanks for the table. Would it be possible to add the reference of each model, for instance the ASIN?

I am interested to buy the latest ADI-2 DAC FS, but I am never sure I will not be shipped the oldest. Websites are not always describing well the product, and not including the chip, and pictures cannot be trusted.

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AixiA wrote:

Thanks for the table. Would it be possible to add the reference of each model, for instance the ASIN?

I am interested to buy the latest ADI-2 DAC FS, but I am never sure I will not be shipped the oldest. Websites are not always describing well the product, and not including the chip, and pictures cannot be trusted.

You need to see the box at least. the new model has the new remote drawn.
see the following two unbox blogs and you can easily tell the difference:
http://pamati-i.blogspot.com/2018/03/rm … boxed.html
http://www.techreflex.net/rme-adi-2-dac-fs-review/

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Changes / Added Info:
- Excel Screenshot (better formatting of text)
- Auto Dark Mode
- Analog and Digital Input and Outputs
- ASIN for most interesting devices: ADI-2 DAC, ADI-2 DAC FS and ADI-2 Pro FS R BE

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ramses wrote:

Old version in what regards exactly ? No MRC, no AK4493 (without SD LD D/A filter) ?

Exactly that one.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

@Ramses: having two names in that table for the ADI-2 DAC confuses people and is not correct. As said the ADI-2 DAC has always been a ADI-2 DAC FS, on its packaging and the front plate and the manual. Simple reason is that the DAC was the first RME unit with SteadyClock FS. Please change that back.

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Ok no problem, done.

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Hi Ramses,

On my iPhone I don‘t see the table, just a white line.
Maybe you add the pure text form below, even if it‘s not looking so nice?!

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KaiS wrote:

Hi Ramses,

On my iPhone I don‘t see the table, just a white line.
Maybe you add the pure text form below, even if it‘s not looking so nice?!

Hi KaiS,

below the image I provided now two links: HTML and JPEG. Do they work both for you ?

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ramses wrote:
KaiS wrote:

Hi Ramses,

On my iPhone I don‘t see the table, just a white line.
Maybe you add the pure text form below, even if it‘s not looking so nice?!

Hi KaiS,

below the image I provided now two links: HTML and JPEG. Do they work both for you ?

The jpeg can be loaded.
Looks nice.

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Ramses!   

It seems that RME DID make your breakdown of the products a Sticky!

Well Done again!!

Nice Work

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Any idea when the next DAC chip update will be?

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Still not good enough for you or why do you ask ? wink

The ADI-2 Pro FS R BE just came out last year and brought now both product lines
fully in synch in terms of features like: remote, black design, auto-dark, fs-clock.

Now there are only things like more pro related functions, routings, ports, number of DA chips, analog inputs, that make the price difference ...

BTW .. like any other vendor ...
RME doesn't leak such information before the product is being advertized officially for obvious reasons you may ask of course, but tbh .. nobody can / will give you an answer.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

What is there to update anyway, the AKM AK4493 is pretty recent and there's not really any meaningful benefit going with their more expensive offerings. It'll take a while to see AKM develop and announce a new chip to dethrone the AK4493 especially with the fire incident at their factory.

The only meaningful upgrades I can foresee are more efficient and powerful FPGA and DSP chips to extend flexibility even further. Room correction and 10(+) band PEQ come to mind.

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Well, while a new DAC chip may improve some non-audible measurements there are other things at least HiFi users could benefit from.
1. Add WiFi to enable app support and control the ADI-2 remotely
2. Additional line level inputs or Phono M/M, M/C input, relay controlled to get rid of my pre-amp and my phono pre-amp
3. I could even envision a streaming option to further reduce my HiFi stack :-)
4. All this may require a bigger chassis which would provide the opportunity to add a larger display.
Anyway, the ADI-2 Pro FS R BE is a great device!
Maybe all this would even mandate for a new more HiFi oriented device.

Just my two cents after having spent quite some time with the ADI-2 DAC FS and ADI-2 Pro FS R BE.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

In below post Ramses mentioned that ADI-2 DAC FS with ASIN Amazon number B081CWQXGD was released on 12/17.  When I look up this same ASIN number at amazon, the release date shows up as December 2019. This listing shows a model with newer remote.  Which one is correct?  Was this a typo?
ASIN B07B6C8PF6 looks like it was released March 2018 according to Amazon and it shows a model with an older remote.
Just want to ensure folks are making buying decisions based on the correct info.
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ramses wrote:

As this has been asked quite often, here the differences and release dates of the different ADI-2 DAC/Pro models so far:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8bp93ylxxff011l/ADI-2%20Pro%2BDAC%20Models%20-%20Differences%20and%20Release%20Dates.jpg?dl=1


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HTML format: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfs2p99rv1agl … s.htm?dl=1
JPEG format: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8bp93ylxxff01 … s.jpg?dl=1

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Hallo.
Wenn ich einen gebrauchten ADI 2 DAC kaufe , hab ich die Möglichkeit unabhängig von der Fernbedienung zu checken das es auch wirklich der Neueste ist? Softwareseitig evtl?

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butch111 wrote:

Hallo.
Wenn ich einen gebrauchten ADI 2 DAC kaufe , hab ich die Möglichkeit unabhängig von der Fernbedienung zu checken das es auch wirklich der Neueste ist? Softwareseitig evtl?

Überprüfen, ob der AK4493 eingebaut ist.
Das sieht man am zusätzlichen (6.) digitalen Filter Typ: SD LD (Short Delay Low Dispersion).

Beispielsweise beim ADI-2 Pro FS R BE in den Einstellungen zu finden unter:
    IO -> Main Output 1/2 -> Settings -> D/A Filter -> SD LD

Siehe auch folgende Kapitel in den jeweiligen Handbüchern:

ADI-2 DAC FS:
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/adi2dacr_d.pdf
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/adi2dacr_e.pdf
-> Kapitel 12.1 unter "DA Filter" -> SD LD
-> Kapitel 31.4 unter "DA Impulsantworten" -> SD LD

ADI-2 Pro FS R BE:
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/adi2profsr_d.pdf
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/adi2profsr_e.pdf
-> Kapitel 14.1   unter "DA Filter" -> SD LD
-> Kapitel 34.11 unter "DA Impulsantworten" -> SD LD

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@ramses
We have two different devices. If you would create two tables, there would be enough free columns for later additions.

Two tables: Table "ADI-2 PRO" /// Table "ADI-2 DAC FS":

You name your table "... Differences and Release Dates". The columns "SRC", "Digital Inputs", "Analog Inputs", "Digital Outputs" make no sense, as there are no changes here. Such technical features could - as already done - be added at the end of the table. The column "Model" would no longer be necessary. For the "ADI-2 DAC FS", the column "Auto Dark" can be omitted. ...

I don't like the advertising (column ASIN - ... Standard Identification Number) especially for this US company. This company also sends buyers uninspected used equipment (Return of a buyer). I have read that it was not your idea.
Useful information would be better:
For example, companies in the EU offer a three-year warranty. ...

Interesting (especially for analysts) could be a table with serial numbers:
Model /// Serial no.: /// Newly purchased (mm/yy)
It is noticeable that there is an extremely frequent "0" in the 5th position (12345678) of the "ADI-2 DAC FS". Furthermore, there are many serial numbers that have the suffix "B".

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Weme, many thanks for your suggestions.
The list is intentionally sorted by date to also show the evolution of the series of ADI-2 * converters. Otherwise the focus is on main technical differences / features.
Sorry, but I have no plans to add details in terms of serial number information or to detail warranty information of different countries.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

When buying an ADI-2 FS, how to check it is the 12/17 or 11/19 version ?
It seems that some resellers are still selling the older one without telling it.

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EDIT: I think I misunderstood your question, because I thought you really mean the ADI-2 FS (that was a typo from you, because this is an existing but different product).

The easiest way is to call your dealer to ask upfront. Otherwise buy it and send it back if its not the desired piece of HW.
If it's Amazon marketplace, then complain about the dealer later.
Sorry I have no other idea. At the end all can be wrong, the picture, the ASIN (a copy paste failure) and what not.
Therefore I prefer to buy from sellers I know or where positive reviews indicate, that the shop makes a good job.
Amazon has at least a good service and good working return procedures to also get the money back quickly.

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Let's say I buy it : how can I check I have the latest one : Is there a part number written somewhere.
My actual idea is to plug it on my linux and list usb devices expecting to have AK4493 written somewhere...

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elapouya wrote:

Let's say I buy it : how can I check I have the latest one : Is there a part number written somewhere.
My actual idea is to plug it on my linux and list usb devices expecting to have AK4493 written somewhere...

You can easily check this on the device itself

    IO -> Main Output 1/2 -> Settings -> D/A Filter -> SD LD

SD LD is the new D/A filter. If you find this D/A filter for selection, then you have the latest ADI-2 DAC/Pro with the AK4493.
See also post #23: https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 84#p169784

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

New blog article about the history of ADI-2 Pro/DAC and some other interesting additional information.

Currently only in german available, english version is in work:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … ses-EN-DE/

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Now available in English and German: https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … ses-EN-DE/

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Ramses,

What a fine informational resource you've assembled!  A rather large effort on your part that will prove most useful to RME users both Present, and Future.

It was an absolute pleasure to work with you on a facet of your presentation. 

Viele Dank!

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1. updated with information about current ADI-2 DAC FS
2. also updated blog article https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … ses-EN-DE/

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Ist nicht die Auto Dark Funktion beim ersten ADI-2 Pro per Firmware realisiert worden? Meiner ist von April 2017 und das Display wird dunkel geschaltet.

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Und nur das. Bei späteren Geräten werden alle Lichter ausgeschaltet.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

The latest firmware update tool has installed version 39 (May 2021) on my ADI-2 DAC FS (AK4493 version) but there is no changelog or any mention of any changes over the previous version (35). Does anyone know what's changed?

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The latest firmware update tool has installed version 39 (May 2021) on my ADI-2 DAC FS (AK4493 version) but there is no changelog or any mention of any changes over the previous version (35). Does anyone know what's changed?

probably due to https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=33421

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Yep, the 39 has zero changes for non-ESS DACs. That's why it is not released as official update - no need to update at all. The new DACs ship with that firmware.

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Re: ADI-2 Pro/DAC Models - Differences and Release Dates

Corrected a typo in the table

+) ADI-2 DAC with AK4493 and ES9028Q2M are according to RME sonically not distinguishable. The ESS version has a small C at the end of the serial number sticker. ESS has a filter called "Brickwall" instead of AK4493's "Short Delay Low Dispersion". All other filters (SD Sharp, SD Slow, Sharp, Slow, NOS) are identical.

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Clreaned up this thread for it to stay useful. Posts about PCBs have been moved to the other (now locked) thread. Please refrain from further posting about that topic.

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MC wrote:

Clreaned up this thread for it to stay useful. Posts about PCBs have been moved to the other (now locked) thread. Please refrain from further posting about that topic.

Could you please post the link of the locked thread? Thanks .