1 (edited by OliverATX 2021-12-15 13:17:43)

Topic: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

Hello,

I hope everyone is doing great! I have a quick question about Digiface/TotalMix FX routing. Is it possible to use the Digiface with a DAW in a way where I record the wet channel (with EQ for example) coming from the Digiface via USB?

Thank you,

Oliver

2 (edited by ramses 2021-12-15 10:54:09)

Re: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

Digimax? Are you talking about a RME recording interface and misspelled the products name by accident?
If you talk about a RME interface with built-in FX effects (only a few have such a chip inside) then you can configure it to record "wet" with effects. Otherwise the default is to record audio unaltered/transparent and to use eq/dynamics only for monitoring.
I hope I guessed right and that this answers your question.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

ramses wrote:

Digimax? Are you talking about a RME recording interface and misspelled the products name by accident?
If you talk about a RME interface with built-in FX effects (only a few have such a chip inside) then you can configure it to record "wet" with effects. Otherwise the default is to record audio unaltered/transparent and to use eq/dynamics only for monitoring.
I hope I guessed right and that this answers your question.

DIGIFACE! My sincere apologies! At least I was consistent and mis-referenced the name 4 times throughout my post :-)

So, are you saying that the Digiface CAN record the wet signal?

Thank you,

Oliver

4 (edited by ramses 2021-12-15 13:47:52)

Re: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

BTW there are still three different products with this name: Digiface USB, AVB and Dante.

But as the product page clearly tells in the chapter about TotalMix FX, e.g. here from Digiface AVB:

"The Digiface Series does not support DSP based effects (FX) like EQ or reverb"

You would need products with a FX chip built-in like: Babyface Pro FS (partial implementation, dynamics being performed by driver executed by the cpu of your computer), UCX/UCX II, 802, UFX II/+, HDSPe MADI FX.

My excel sheet might be helpful to you for the selection  of USB/TB based recording interfaces. It's a collection of information taken from manual, product page and this forum.
You will find it in this blog article: http://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/inde … B-MADIfac/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

ramses wrote:

BTW there are still three different products with this name: Digiface USB, AVB and Dante.

But as the product page clearly tells in the chapter about TotalMix FX, e.g. here from Digiface AVB:

"The Digiface Series does not support DSP based effects (FX) like EQ or reverb"

You would need products with a FX chip built-in like: Babyface Pro FS (partial implementation, dynamics being performed by driver executed by the cpu of your computer), UCX/UCX II, 802, UFX II/+, HDSPe MADI FX.

My excel sheet might be helpful to you for the selection  of USB/TB based recording interfaces. It's a collection of information taken from manual, product page and this forum.
You will find it in this blog article: http://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/inde … B-MADIfac/

I was looking at the Digiface USB. Wow, that is some spreadsheet! Awesome, thank you so much!

Oliver

6 (edited by ramses 2021-12-15 15:23:49)

Re: Routing Wet Signal via USB from Digiface

You're welcome and don't hesitate if you need further advice.

BTW, to have eq and dynamics integrated into a recording interface can be practical for some use cases, but is not necessarily needed.

You can use it to EQ your active monitors or headphones for the monitoring mix or when listening to music to make it more HiFi'ish and less neutral sounding. Or to give an input signal more boost or to give a singer a little reverb when doing vocal recordings a d the singer needs it to feel more comfortable. Adding FX through USB/TB can create a noticeable delay which is maybe tolerable for reverb or delay effects but this latency will become much higher with increasing ASIO buffersize which might be needed to reduce the processing/interrupt load on the computer.

For pure recording purposes you do not necessarily need FX effects.

If you would tell me your demand (use cases), what types of interface you need (USB or PCIe), your current setup, what devices you would like to connect with the new RME solution, how many and what type of i/o channels you need and your budget for that, then I could help you to find a good solution.

You can take either a suitable USB or PCIe recording interface with or without analog i/o and/or FX as a basement or -  if you want a really outstanding solution with a lot of useful features - the combination of such a recording interface with TotalMix FX and a high end converter like ADI-2 DAC/Pro.

The following blog articles can give you a good overview, to give you an impression what's possible and - should you have interest for such a converter - to plan for an additional port for it. In the case of the ADI-2 Pro this can be ADAT, optical or coaxial SPDIF, AES or USB.

http://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/inde … ses-EN-DE/

http://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/inde … our-Setup/

An additional device like the ADI-2 Pro can serve you well with a lot of useful features which are unique to this device:
- excellent ad da conversion
- support of four reference levels and a feature called auto reflevel that automatically chooses the optimum reference level so that SNR and dynamic is optimum over a much wider volume range (honours also B/T, PEQ and dynamic loudness settings in the calculation to select optimum reflevel)
- ear protection by slow ramp-up of volume when plugging phones or switching between monitors and phones
- bittest to be able to perform an end to end test whether audio from a PC player was received lossless to ensure/check highest quality playback
- 5 band PEQ to compensate deficits of phones or hearing weakness, even  possible per channel
- B/T controls to compensate bass and treble for bigger differences in music material/masters
- dynamic loudness so that music keeps it's body if you turn down the volume
- support for DAD in case you want/need it
- different levels of crossfeed
- extreme power headphones outputs driving even phones that need a lot of power
- balanced mode for phones in case you want it
- useful status screens with the possibility to troubleshoot digital connections better
- SRC (sample rate converter) to connect devices with fix clock like DAT recorder
- two dac chips to connect and compare phones at the same type of da converter
- can act as a monitor controller for your monitoring section finalising the end volume  so that a 0dB fader setting in TM FX can not harm your ears and/or equipment just in case you performed no proper level matching eg using attenuators if needed.
- possibility to choose between different DA filter of your DAC for eg either most linear frequency courve or to use have an emphasis on other things of a little bit higher separation of certain percussive music instruments. These are only nuances and might depend on your room, equipment, etc (see one of KaiS's postings).

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14