I agree! Purple please. Orange and red look almost the same anyway, so lets trade orange for purple. Make it so.

How about black

On a more serious note: some shade of brown could also be pretty.

At the moment Cyan is used on the State Overview for every Meter Color. To my opinion the overview would look better with the same changed color there.

Lets wait and see, and MC response very fast

Yes, while most people (possible) use PCM, they forgot DSD meter color ... also the options for different presets ....

at firmware 66/47

At the moment I'm mostly using Cyan as Meter Color because I prefer to have the same alternative color on every display.

So many nice color schemes that don't match the only one available on my UCX II that is stacked on top of an ADI-2 DAC.

MC, any chance of adding color schemes to UCX II?

While we are at it, I'd like to have blue and yellow. And orange and amber are currently very similar; I could live without amber.

This will be a long thread... ;-)

Apart from the RME blue logo and Emergency vehicle lighting (its function is to draw attention from everyone), blue moving or flashing lights is no good for human eyes ....

If you actually cared about this you should demand that RME offers color schemes scientifically designed for at least some common color vision impairments, which you don't.

Edit: You should even demand that for all of RME devices with a screen, which you haven't, but some color schemes on ADI-2 gets your worked up.

Please always nice and friendly, that would be very desirable.

And you should not directly dub everything as BS what you may not understand or perhaps simply misunderstood.

In any case, it would be very kind if you would observe some basic rules of politeness and mutual respect. You certainly wouldn't like it either if your remarks were simply belittled as BS. Many thanks upfront.

I admit after reading CrispyChips's post my first though was also: I'm not colorblind or otherwise impaired visually but I do wonder how others would perceive the colors. I'd think RME would have paid attention to that though, it's fairly common knowledge when it comes to creating any type of user interface.

So Muffin If I understand you correctly, you're saying the default colors are not ok ("So when are RME going to offer color schemes for various vision impairments")? Care to elaborate?

Quote: “If you actually cared about this you should demand that RME offers color schemes scientifically designed for at least some common color vision impairments, which you don't.

Edit: You should even demand that for all of RME devices with a screen, which you haven't, but some color schemes on ADI-2 gets your worked up.”

Thank you for your passionately held views, which I am of course, happy to address. The specifics of which I will focus upon later.

With complete respect, my experience and that of many record industry professionals with which I am acquainted; is that the design and manufacture of RME equipment, is absolutely exemplary in their respective class.

As a broad general point, I feel I should make it clear to those unacquainted with professional recording and audio systems; that as a rule of thumb; it is typically the case that extra cost, increasingly results in diminishing returns.

That overwhelmingly for most musicians, recording engineers and audio enthusiasts. When a certain point in the realm of genuinely high-quality products is reached, an extremely large amount is required to be spent to achieve a fairly minor improvement.

RME devices are extremely well thought out and very carefully considered in regard to every aspect of their design and function. Over the years I have enjoyed many opportunities to be addressed by colleagues who are regarded as the world’s top designers in their field.

As a matter of course, in order to stimulate designers in companies I have “an interest in”, we have at times enacted ingenious cutting edge plans, such as renting the late Elizabeth Taylors luxurious Los Angeles former home, for them to live and work in close together, in a powerfully stimulating environment.

Furthermore, rather than insisting top designers work day and night on the company’s products, we allow them a high degree of creative latitude. What this means is that they only spend 50% of their time on the company’s products and have 50% of their time entirely free to design, whatever their creative juices lead them to.

So, for example, there is a particular musical instrument manufacturer who makes a class leading, entirely innovative popular instrument, quite unlike anything before it, by one of our designers. It utilised ground braking electronics, delivering higher output than any other product and wider on-board equalisation to boot, through its class leading design.

The designer was interested in such musical instruments, and had the ability to pour his musical passions into creating a completely new instrument.

The design and construction of one massive research and development centre of ours was created so that throughout the complex, very wide corridors, drinks vending machines and water fountains coincided with extremely generous seating areas. So that individuals working in different divisions, on various aspects of the products design keep bumping into each other several times a day.

This encouraged them to talk and share together their particular issues and problems, and being thus aware, to form symbiotic relationships that work to a common purpose. Therefore designing out issues from the product prior to production, that would normally only raise their hoary heads when it was rather late in the day to anything about them.

So, the building complex was designed from the ground up to facilitate, accommodate and encourage, improved concepts in design. Not only that but simply the manner in which designers interface.

Most people think someone designs a product and it is manufactured according to that design. However, in reality a design is eventually passed to development engineers and production engineers and things can be changed a lot in the process.

Having everyone working closer together, being acutely aware of the problems that others are experiencing, enables a superior design to be formulated from, not only the start, but all the way through development and finally into production.

As you might gather, having “an interest” and involved with many of the world’s leading designers, I have learnt one thing.

It is to listen.

In doing so I have learnt what was in their minds, when they created world leading products.

It is truly fascinating to do so.

I take the view that they know their job far better than me, and whilst I strive to provide an environment in which they can excel.

It would be very silly to think I could tell them how do their job better.

In a way, my approach to this matter is the same as my approach to conducting.

People see the conductor as the master, whereas I see the conductor more as a servant.

It is a conductors role to create an environment in which everyone involved in the project senses and feels this is the best opportunity they have ever had in their entire life to perform. Enabling them to display and present their talents, at their very best.

The real beauty of this approach if I may say so, is that when everyone involved feels like this, they can and do on occasions, entirely surpass their own very highest estimations of themselves and their actual abilities. Performing at a level that supersedes what they believed themselves to be capable of. It makes for a great and memorable concert.

All I do is to provide a framework, an environment and the relationships of trust that develop from that, which encourage and stimulate a powerfully creative energy, to be outpoured.

Understanding that, understanding the admiration I have for RME designers, as well as the many designers I have personally been involved with.

Perhaps one can gain a more appropriate perspective, of how someone that tells such people their job, should be rightly viewed.

Now to focus upon your comments directly.

Quote: “you should demand that RME offers color schemes scientifically designed for at least some common color vision impairments, which you don't.”

As is clearly outlined in my short introductory explanation, outlined above.

I find it best to listen to product designers and feel it would be foolish to have the temerity to presume to tell them their job.

There is a place to make suggestions but usually, far more and better can be gleaned where designers and manufacturers are concerned, by listening than talking. 

With all due respect, neither you or I am in a position to demand anything from RME and as a non personal point; in general, my experience with people that go around making such demands, is that they lack maturity.

Perhaps suffering from infantilism. Behaviour that worked successfully as a child with doting parents, but should have been dispensed with in teenage years, and never allowed to remain in adulthood. Childish outbursts are the result.

The notion that I have failed to take into account the fact that certain individuals suffer from visual impairment is clearly a patent falsehood.

Reading like listening is a highly beneficial exercise.

The second paragraph of my earlier post.

Quote: “everyone’s eyes are different, and many perceive hues of colour quite differently, along with their brains recollection of them.”  Thus, distinguishing closely related areas of the spectrum, is very problematic for some.”

I am arguing for industry leading standardisation in colour that work optimally for the majority of users.

Thus, even if someone’s vision was very seriously impaired, and for example they were unable to tell the difference between red and green, sat in their car, at traffic lights.

By having a standardised colour, utilised on critically important positions of an audio meter, as with traffic lights; seeing that positional area illuminated, the visually impaired user, would never the less readily comprehend, what that meant.

They could of course fully comprehend that from simply reading the helpfully included, excellently written instructional manual. Problem solved.

With respect, you don’t appear to have properly understood my earlier post.

Perhaps you didn’t actually read it?

Quote: “You should even demand that for all of RME devices with a screen, which you haven't.”

Again, with respect, this is a complete misrepresentation!

I have argued the merits of complete standardisation on all meters throughout the recording and audio equipment manufacturing industry.

Explaining in meticulous detail the manifold benefits that such standardisation could bring to all users. Both those with perfect visual acuity and those with impaired vision.

The third and fourth paragraphs of my earlier post.

Quote: “Hence, ideal colour design parameters for recording and audio meters in particular, should necessarily confine the available choice to those which are most helpful and least problematic, to the widest number of people.

Standardisation in meter colouring across the entire audio equipment manufacturing industry, can only result in the wider benefit of them being more easily read and better understood.”

Quote: “but some color schemes on ADI-2 gets your worked up.”

With respect it is entirely delusional altogether to consider that any topic whatever discussed on the RME forum, traditionally a respectfully "low noise" forum, normally devoid of rudeness or hysterical comments, could get me worked up in any way whatever.

Elizabeth Taylor in a slip, possibly. Marilyn Monroe in a dress, possibly.

A discussion on any forum anywhere, not a chance!

True story, the late Tom Dowd, once painted over all the recording meters on their Large Format Recording Console at Atlantic Records.

The moral of that is, music is best experienced not by the eye, but rather, by the ear. So listening to the music is really what I would encourage you to do.

Adjust your volume with adequate headroom and forget about the meters for most of the time. It’s probably true to write that many individuals that would identify themselves as audio enthusiasts, obsess about entirely the wrong things.

I trust this polite reply will genuinely assist you, better explain my intent and I take this opportunity to wish you well, with all your future listening experiences.

Try reading before your respond, as it will far better inform, anything you write.

When new user(s) got their RME, some do not understand the manual or some tricks to operate it, they come and ask a broad question, we look even wider and ask them in return to narrow it down, or even tell them in a wider view, they got the answers and not coming back.

We will not scold them not saying "thank you" or "problem solved", because they might be busy, or busy at trying our recommendation step by step, experiece it slowly, or forget everything but enjoying the RME with smile.

This is the atmosphere I learnt and felt in past 7 months. And of course, appreciated it.

Hello,

All CrispyChip 's posts are worth the time reading them!
Accessing the forum through a phone is not the best practice, though. A computer screen is more comfortable!

What brought us, all, here in the first place is our love for RME, audio quality, admiration for excellent engineering and music!!
And we 're, all, good-willed toward each-other!
So, please be more polite!

Quote: “Another meandering long winded wall of text post. Try writing succinct and to the point, before you post, and your posts might actually be worth the time reading them.”

Thank you for your personal observations and unsolicited advice.

If you were hoping that your negative observations would inflame me, I am doomed to disappoint you, blessed as I am with goodwill to my fellow man.

Whilst it would be easy to do so, I have no wish whatever to highlight self-evident shortcomings of your own writing, and my feeling is, that you would find short, sharp, soundbite composition from me, far, far less to your liking.

In the city I hail from, we actively prepare future politicians for fierce adversarial debate. So, people that have gone on to become Presidents of the United States of America for example, would certainly be amongst those, I have had the privilege to assist, over the years.

My reason for mentioning that, is because there are certain rules that are normally observed in civilised, constructive debate, with which I am well accustomed.  One of them is that when an individual’s arguments collapse, descending into "ad hominem attacks". It is a red flag that they have no substantive argument left.

For those unfamiliar with the term “ad hominem attack”: “This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.”

Simply put, by not arguing the genuine merits of their case, instead, attacking the person whose viewpoint opposes theirs. They place themselves in a similar position to a sportsman or sportswoman, who chooses to tackle the opponent, rather than the ball that they should. It is in fact, a foul!

In debate, a sign they have no genuine argument to make.

Effectively throwing in the towel, with bad grace.

It is apparent from your earlier post, that the acuity of your eyesight is such that reading can at times be highly demanding for you.

As people get older, it is not uncommon for them to require reading glasses to see tiny print. This is true for individuals with good eyesight, as much as those whose sight is impaired.

Irregardless, I especially appreciate your explicitly clear admission. The definite indication that you don’t invest the time to bother with posts whose form fails to meet your singular preferences.

This appears to directly validate the plausible point, I proffered earlier.

Quote: “With respect, you don’t appear to have properly understood my earlier post.

Perhaps you didn’t actually read it?”

It would appear that a consistent element, regarding your personal requirements and needs, is that the world around, you must conform to your personal demands.

This appears to encompass audio devices whose designs you wish transformed to meet your preferences, and writing on forums that oppose your viewpoint, amongst those we know about.

But it is highly probable this unfortunate pattern, overflows into many areas of life and will inevitably and inexorably doom you to a great many disappointments, one of which, you will find directly below.

Here’s the thing, short and concise.

I can back up my viewpoint, with the scientific evidence you initially requested, and over one hundred years of broader, empirical and anecdotal evidence.

You?

None at all, as far as I can determine.

My goodness. They added a bunch of colours and most aren't very useable so I ask for a purple and you go on a whole rant about feeling "self important". Sure the RME is fine but what's wrong with some extra colours people will actually use? No clue why a simple question leads to 30+ comments here.

I agree with you, Standards matter. Some things need a world while standard, such as cable color, navigation light ... lots of examples, you name it ...

However, some want a pink light at their living room is a personal taste... and that is freedom, but whether it is possible that RME offer such selection is another thing, there are more important things they have to handle (many products), making color option can be endless, no one knows years later who will hop in and ask for a new color .....

Enjoy the (Divine conversion) sound of the RME, select the color fits you most.... do not forget the first day we have the RME, we live with those colors available since new ... if new color came and you love it, it is a bonus!

All of this because someone does not like that the ADI-2 DAC/Pro has several colour schemes to chose among, and the arguments against adding more are silly as well as condescending.

It would probably be more practical to provide input fields for the three RGB values for 1-2 more custom colors,
instead of further discussing more and more wishes which only creates additional work to implement and to provide the images.

Then you can see it in an RGB viewer on the screen beforehand.

Three input fields and a preview window, because the color impression is certainly different than on the home computer screen.

Here you can experiment with RGB values: https://www.colorspire.com/rgb-color-wheel/

For that to work you'll have to enter RGB for a number of GUI elements, which is very easy to see by using the GUI. My guess that is the reason why RME only offers colour schemes as otherwise it would probably give support headaches due to colour misconfiguration (yellow text font on yellow background, as a trivial example).

And why this concern for the work load of RME? I've seen this several times on this forum when people are suggesting features they want, and I find it a bit strange as RME is a commercial company. RME listens to their user/customers and they are quite capable to decide on their own what to implement.

OP wrote meter color, which is correct, and "meter color" selection also at the menu... meter means the horrizontal meter (single or dual) and the spectrum analyzer, the other display remain unchange with 3 new colors since firmware 47..... so do not mess up with "a color text font on a same color background" ....

Firstly I want to thank you for your elaborate posts which can be a joy to read. But elaborate or not, and despite your point roughly being valid an sich, you're missing few points here and as a result your explanation regarding viual and auditory systems continues to miss those point. Couple of things:
- by your explanation, the meters/bode plot distract from the music and lead to a suboptimal experience. Indeed they do, but by that logic they shouldn't be there to begin with. Which luckily the ADI has a mode for. And so do humans: close your eyes. Which then yields any further discussion about color fairly meaningless.
- likewise you could try to prove purple would objectively be worse i.e. more distracting than e.g. white, but no matter what color it is, far more important is that it the image is constantly moving and that is what creates the real distraction here. Not the color. Sure the brain might associate purple with something else than white, but association between things which move and danger are just so much stronger, because things which move can kill you, no matter what color they are.
- last but not least: you start from the premise people only use a DAC for listening to music and that they want to do that optimally at all times. That's just way too limiting of a definition; it might be so that it's all you and other people use the ADI for, but not everyone. From personal experience, and I'd be very suprised if I'm alone with that:

- online meetings are a huge thing these days, when I'm not very invested in what's being presented then the meters provide a welcome distraction and the spectrum makes it fun to see the differences between several voices. So yes obviously that distracts me from what's being said, but the whole point is I want it to, at that point.
- some people use music in the background when working on other things. That's already a suboptimal form of listening, it's not even actively listening, so if they want that to be accompagnied by the soothing movement of a power spectrum plot then who are we to tell them what color they must use for that?
- people have preferences and people are different. If people prefer a certain color for things, then no matter whether the general public on average might associate that color with something, for certain individuals that association just doesn't matter and/or they give it their own meaning. Moreover associations vary wildly across cultures.

Quoted separately because this is very misleading. The cones you talk about aren't even most sensitive to red, but actually more in the yellow spectrum (yes I know the names are often taught like that in schools, but it's wrong, and in literature the rods and and cones are hence referred to not by color names but rather wavelength like long/short). And last I read about it there are a couple of theories as to why there are usually more of those cones than the others, but nothing proven so far, and so no established link with danger. Moreover it's not because there are more cones, that the amplitude of the color in the final image received by higher level processing brain areas is also higher (could be, not sure, but one shouldn't take that as a fact without looking it up).