Topic: UFX+ with Townsend Labs Sphere L22 Mic Modeler

Is anyone using this mic with the RME? It seems suited for the UAD interfaces and Protools. I believe there might even be more models dedicated to UAD and AAX.

I am interested in hearing from Windows users using VST.

Some questions:
Do you run it using the preamps in the UFX+ or some other preamps?
Are there issues with latency?
What is your overall impression and experience running the L22?
Is it possible to run a UAD interface like an Apollo Twin into the UFX+ dedicated to the L22? Since I can only select one ASIO driver I imagine it not working but thought I would ask.

Thanks.

Re: UFX+ with Townsend Labs Sphere L22 Mic Modeler

Mig,

I own the Sphere microphone and use it with my UFXII mic preamps.  I can answer some of your questions and then give some color commentary as well.  In short, I love the microphone and would almost purchase a second one.

>>>Do you run it using the preamps in the UFX+ or some other preamps?<<<
Yes, I use my UFXII preamps because they have stepped digital gain structure.  So there is no need for "calibrating" the two mic preamp channels when setting up.  I simply set both UFX preamps to the same gain value.  If I was using outboard preamps, I would only use a very clean style AND with stepped gain.  The Cranbourne Audio preamps look really nice for this task but I'm don't think I could say that they would be "better" for this mic.  The UFX pre's are super great.

>>>Are there issues with latency?<<<
I don't typically do live monitoring through plugins in the way that you are maybe thinking.  Indeed, monitoring through the Sphere plugin would take a little bit of setup to get right.  Usually, I just monitor the mic through totalmix (without the mic model) which has been great up to now.  So, I can't really comment on latency of the plugin.

>>>What is your overall impression and experience running the L22?<<<
See below....

>>>Is it possible to run a UAD interface like an Apollo Twin into the UFX+ dedicated to the L22? Since I can only select one ASIO driver I imagine it not working but thought I would ask.<<<
I know that it is one of UAD's value propositions to make hardware and software that will monitor real time.  I have never used it but understand that their realtime plugins can be a big system load AND are integral with their hardware.  No, I think you would not be able to hack their system the way you are thinking about it because there will be some real time latency compensation within the UAD hardware / plugin pair. 

I use only VST3 plugins and have a reasonably fast windows system (but not at all bleeding edge tech).  I have yet to max out my cpu with more plugins than I can really use.  So, I guess I don't understand value proposition that UAD is offering.  True, I am not monitoring through plugins but haven't had a problem with this.

What follows is a post I wrote on the Reaper forum about my experience so far with the Townsend Labs Sphere.  Highly recommended microphone.

Hope this was helpful

Cheers,

Rob

>>>
All,

I am an owner of this microphone. Like some or many of you, I am an independent music producer and don't have access to a locker full of high value microphones. So choosing the microphones I purchase and own is always an important decision.

As a quick point of note.... even if you have never heard "that" Neumann microphone or "that other" fill in the blank microphone, you can bet that the things people say are really true. Some great mics are only great on some sources and then terrible on others. Or more like just not the right fit. But even more, when it's right..... it's REALLY right.

So rather than try to chase a bunch of different microphones at A LOT of $$, I opted to check out the Townsend Labs Sphere. There are other modeling microphones and there are plenty of reviews on all of them. To me, it seemed that Townsend really had the most well developed system. So I chose them.

I'm not a purist so I didn't really consider whether or not it would sound JUST LIKE that special microphone or the other one. This was not a consideration at all in my buying decision.

Now for my experience with the microphone.

I've been working on a project for about a year now with one band in particular but also the other musicians in their circle. We've done a lot of tracking, recording, and mixing. I've used the sphere on vocal, acoustic guitar, guitar cabinet, and other sources.

In every case, this microphone has captured a pristine sound. Clean, quiet, and uncharactered (when listening NOT through a model). Indeed, sphere by itself is not really anything special.

However, once the models come into play, this thing is absolutely worth every single penny I spent. The models are AWESOME and VASTLY unique. Indeed, the U47 sounds dramatically different than the U87 and dramatically different than the 414, etc... More specifically, it is OBVIOUS when the right and wrong mic models are chosen for a source. Some mic models work better for this source and others work better for other sources.

Additionally, the context of the source in the sound field is very significant and OBVIOUS which mic model works best in the context. For instance, the mic model I use for the lead singers voice is something completely different than I used for the one electric guitar. And, the mic model I used for the different electric guitar was different because it was obvious which mic model was better.

Regarding the sound, it really is about right fit. That thing people say about The Neumann mics.... that the U87 is that rock and roll sound.... kind of forward..... yes my model is exactly that. And interestingly, I haven't yet used the U47 for my work. It hasn't been the right fit. And as much as I love my Blue Bluebird microphone (C12 type capsule), I haven't yet used the C-12 or 251 model for my work. They haven't been the right fit for my sources.

For the work that I have been doing, the models that I chose have been an unbelievable fit. Moreover, choosing right model invalidates almost all EQ. So I choose a model and don't touch the EQ. But (and this is important), it's really way more than just EQ. So I could never EQ my source up to the mic model.... the model is more, deeper, etc.... and then EQ is just not really necessary in such a big way.

The software plugin is great and flawless. The physical device is nice and well made. I have in fact even used it wrong on accident once (recorded to the back of the capsule) and was able to recover with the software (flip the mic around digitally). Yes, this thing can do that.

Overall, my experience has been fabulous and I am just one random customer who took a chance on some new tech. Like I implied above, I don't have a lot of experience with those big name mics. And I'm not interested to chase the exact sound of those devices. If that's important to you, perhaps pass on the modeling mics all together. For me the flexibility of the system was really the draw and now that I've used it, the sound is the reason to use it. In fact, I may get another one to have a stereo pair. The system is that great.

Rob

Re: UFX+ with Townsend Labs Sphere L22 Mic Modeler

Rob, thank you for all of your shared experience. I have two follow up questions regarding not monitoring the plug in and EQ.

Have you had any of the musicians, particularly singers, have issues from only hearing the dry signal when recording? Or, are you using some of the Totalmix effects to provide some ambiance to help with their performance?

Just to clarify, are you saying all the sound shaping you do is in the Sphere plug-in or can you insert another vst EQ plug in (or other effects) after the Sphere plug in when mixing?

Thanks again.

Re: UFX+ with Townsend Labs Sphere L22 Mic Modeler

Mig,

No, I have not had musicians ask for a different mic model when tracking.  They do ask for reverb or other effects from time to time....  So when that happens I do add reverb via totalmix though I don't love to do that.  The problem is that I don't do it often enough to remember how to do it quickly so I get grumpy when I have to...  hmm  Plus, effects in totalmix are implemented like old school mixing with sends and returns and I don't work like that anymore (inside my DAW).  For sure, I'm being a diva about it so I'm lucky people don't ask for it often.

Even more to the point though..... the sphere plugin is a mic model not an effects processor.  So, as different as the mic models sound (and they do), you would never mistake them for mics with effects like reverb and delay.  And, I would be really surprised if a singer could really tell the difference between models during tracking when not a whole lot of things are "dialed in".  The models are vastly different in the context of mixing.  But in the context of tracking, I think they sound like a microphone.  Less impactful.

Regarding processing....  My typical plugin chain for vocal is as follows:
sphere (which is a VST3 plugin to choose mic model and polar pattern etc...)
Fabfilter Saturn (saturator)
Fabfilter Q3 (EQ)
Fabfilter C2 (compressor)
Fabfilter Saturn (saturator)
Fabfilter Timeless 3 (delay)
then others for added flare when I like the idea of something more

In the above chain, which is typical for me on most tracks, I would engage the eq for various tasks of sound sculpting.  With the Sphere, the only reason I would turn on the EQ is to high pass and low pass (which I do on most tracks).  Any other EQ that I would normally do is UNNECESSARY with the Sphere mic models.  Choose right model, forget about additional EQ.

I also find that the mic models impact my use of the other bigs as well.  So depending on model, sometimes less compression (or more) and definitely more or less saturation.  I'm working in a style now that requires a bit of grit and aggression.  So, I am pushing the vocals a lot lately.  But if I was doing an intimate female vocal and piano (soft and sweet), I be using much less saturation and compression.  And then, one of the more open mic models would be the choice. 

So that's it....  The mic models do sound unique enough that you can tell their character.  Like the one Soyuz model has a really tough sound.  Great for one of the guitar parts we needed to record.  And then, just like that, it didn't work on the other guitar part.  For that one we used a coles model and a U87.

Hope this was helpful.  Good luck on your journey,

Cheers,

Rob

Rob