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Are there any users here with Windows 10/11 and a Fireface 800 and have it working without issues with a Firewire PCI-E card?
If so what card and drivers are you using?
Most likely a combination of this windows FireWire legacy driver and this card with a working TI FW chipset:
https://www.studio1productions.com/Arti … wire-1.htm
Exsys EX-16415, 3x FireWire 800/1x FireWire, PCIe x1 (TI XIO2213B)
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/exs … 75938.html
FF800
Works well with Windows 10 using this low profile card
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 … &psc=1
I think the units are still showing good form and stability,
I tried 2 or 3 different firewire cards in a new Windows PC a few months ago. Installed drivers, and all. BUT because Windows/ Intel is a security nightmare, and they can't figure out how to fix it, they have disabled the ability to use firewire (or thunderbolt) PCI cards in hardware. So I'll have to get a new interface eventually. Until then, I'll just use my Mac for audio.
Universal Audio Support Home Apollo (silver) Computer System Compatibility
March 30, 2022 18:12
Apollo FireWire Windows Compatibility
Known compatible & incompatible Windows systems, and UA-tested PCIe-to-FireWire 800 adapter cards, are listed in this article. Additionally, the host computer must meet the minimum system requirements.
Important Windows Compatibility Notes
System sleep is incompatible with Apollo FireWire connections. See the Apollo FireWire Usage Notes article for details.
FireWire device connections while powered (hot-plugging) are incompatible with Apollo.
Apollo FireWire and UAD-2 Satellite FireWire are compatible with Windows 10 64-bit edition and Windows 11. 32-bit editions of Windows, and all older Windows operating systems, are unqualified. Although these operating systems may work, they are untested and unsupported.
Apollo FireWire and UAD-2 Satellite FireWire require one of the UA-tested PCIe-to-FireWire 800 adapter cards listed below.
Built-in FireWire ports on any Windows computer are incompatible.
Only ASIO and WDM driver modes are compatible.
Apollo Twin USB cannot be combined with Apollo FireWire models.
About System Performance
Generally speaking, modern systems (less than three years old) with a quad-core or better processor, such as an Intel i7, and 8 GB RAM are recommended for maximum performance due to significant improvements in the underlying technologies.
Older underpowered systems may not deliver expected performance.
Incompatible Windows Systems
The Dell Precision T3500 desktop computer is incompatible with Apollo and UAD-2 Satellite.
Built-in FireWire ports on any Windows computer are incompatible with Apollo and UAD-2 Satellite (a UA-tested PCIe-to-FireWire 800 adapter is required for all PC systems).
Windows PC notebook (laptop) computers are incompatible with Apollo FireWire connections.
UAD-1 devices are incompatible with Apollo and UAD-2 Satellite.
Using Apple's Boot Camp to run Windows on Mac systems with Apollo audio interfaces or UAD-2 devices is an untested configuration.
Compatible PCIe-to-FireWire 800 Adapter Cards for Windows Systems
The following PCIe-to-FireWire 800 adapter cards are tested for use with Apollo and UAD-2 Satellite FireWire on Windows systems.
Daisy-chaining external FireWire hard drives off Apollo and UAD-2 Satellite is not tested. External FireWire hard drives can be connected to a separate FireWire adapter card so they have their own FireWire bus.
Brand Model Format Controller Source
Sonnet Technologies Allegro FW800-E PCIe-to-FireWire 800 TI XIO2213 www.sonnettech.com
SIIG NN-FW0012-S1 PCIe-to-FireWire 800 TI XIO2213 www.amazon.com
Important: These PCIe-to-FireWire adapter cards are tested with the FireWire driver included with Windows. When installing the cards, Windows will automatically use the built-in driver. To avoid unexpected behavior, DO NOT UPDATE THE DRIVER from the manufacturer's software disk or website, even if instructed to do so by the documentation included with the adapter cards.
Note: The previously-qualified Syba SD-PEX30009 PCIe-to-FireWire adapter card is no longer used for internal testing.
I tried 2 or 3 different firewire cards in a new Windows PC a few months ago. Installed drivers, and all. BUT because Windows/ Intel is a security nightmare, and they can't figure out how to fix it, they have disabled the ability to use firewire (or thunderbolt) PCI cards in hardware. So I'll have to get a new interface eventually. Until then, I'll just use my Mac for audio.
windows uses its own firewire drivers so that is really strange you cant get it working
Up to now using these Windows Legacy Firewire Drivers seem to have worked.
https://www.studio1productions.com/Arti … wire-1.htm
From his posting, it is not clear whether he also selected these drivers.
As far as I remember, you also have to customize the Firewire driver and to select explicitly the legacy FireWire driver.
According to the webpage, this driver even runs on Windows 11, so it also should still run on Windows 10.
I assume that maybe he went through all this too fast and overlooked something.
Or issues with his Windows installation.
While not a PCIe card I've had good success using the following;
Gigabyte Z390 DESIGNARE
Apple's Thunderbolt 3 -> Thunderbolt 2 adapter
Apple's Thunderbolt 2 -> Firewire adapter
I have a Fireface 800 and 400 and both still work flawlessly even at their lowest supported latency (ie. 64 samples on FF800 and 48 on FF400). Once I start loading up my Reaper project with lots of plugins, particularly UAD ones cause stutter at super low latency, but if I increase it to 128 sample latency things are usually fine.
FF800
Works well with Windows 10 using this low profile card
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 … &psc=1I think the units are still showing good form and stability,
I second this. Using the same Firewire card, with whatever drivers Windows 10 picked for it. TI chipset. No issues.
I have Win11 HP desktop with Erica8 motherboard:
https://support.hp.com/si-en/document/c08107471
I would like to use one PCI-e slot for my Fireface 800.
Any reason to choose Syba SY-PEX30016 over SD-PEX30009 for my setup:
https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route … uct_id=119
https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route … uct_id=118
They seem to be using the same TI chipset but it's not clear which revision they are.
PEX30009 is easier to order for me. Another option I could try is better quality Exsys EX-16415 but I don't know if it is necessary to pay more for that.
Any suggestion is appreciated.
I bought me a firewire controller two weeks ago and it works perfectly under Windows 10 with no separate drivers installed.
Delock PCI Express x1 Card > 2 x external FireWire B + 1 x external FireWire A
I bought me a firewire controller two weeks ago and it works perfectly under Windows 10 with no separate drivers installed.
Delock PCI Express x1 Card > 2 x external FireWire B + 1 x external FireWire A
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check if it is something I could order.
Anyone on Syba SY-PEX30016 vs SD-PEX30009 or rather Exsys EX-16415 would be a safer choice?
After digging on these options more, I realized that both Syba PEX30016 (Delock is the rebrand of the same card probably) and Exsys have a 4 pin Molex connection to provide bus-power but Molex is missing from PEX30009. Both Syba cards are using TI XIO2213B according to the product details of their Amazon US pages but this info is not there in their official pages. In that case if I need to use bus-powered devices in the future, Molex powered cards are better options but for Fireface 800, it is not necessary since it is not bus-powered.
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