Kubrak wrote:If BF is clock master, then two ADAT cables are needed between BF and Mbox. In that case, Mbox must be set as clock slave receiving clock via ADAT. (That is why second cable is needed.)
Sorry, but this is not correct.
In this example, BBF Pro is the clock master and transfers audio and clock information via ADAT to the Mbox.
The 2nd cable is only needed to transfer audio data from Mbox to BBF Pro, just in case this is wanted/needed.
From clock distribution perspective, there is no need for the 2nd cable.
Babyface is clock master (driver settings: clock source = "internal").
Mbox is clock slave to BBF Pro and receives clock via optical.
PC---USB---BBF Pro(cm)---ADAT--------------->Mbox(cs) <--- this connection transfers digital audio data and clock
\---ADAT<---------------/ <--- optional for transport of digital audio data from Mbox to BBF Pro
cm=clock master
cs=clock slave
See also my blog article about clock synchronization to get an intro / overview about the topic:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/
1handwondr wrote:I have been expanding my BabyFace Pro FS with my Mbox Studio through ADAT once I get the Mbox setup to recieve clock from ADAT and a few other functions that need to be set and have a single ADAT connection from out of Mbox to In of BabyFace In the Fireface usb settings only option is to set clock source from optical to get BabyFace and Mbox to sync. Now I will disconnect the usb connection of Mbox to computer. Does this make the BabyFace Pro the clock source for both units since it is only interface connected to computer? Or is this strictly done between the BabyFace and Mbox ADAT connection?
In a digital setup, you require one clock master and only one is allowed.
The default setting for all interfaces is to use their clock as source, by this they are clock master.
In the RME driver settings, you will find as default "clock source = internal".
This means the internal clock will be used for AD and DA conversion.
For a clock slave, you need to configure the digital port as source, from where a valid clock signal can be received.
In your setup, I would recommend using the main interface as clock master.
With main interface, I mean the interface whose driver is loaded by audio applications.
Because then the sample rate is set by the application, the interface gets it automatically by the driver
and all connected clock saves will receive the clock automatically.
This is nice from an operational perspective.
The automatic switching of sample rate might have some limitations, though.
Switching between 44.1/48 kHz will work, but not between single, double, and quad speed
because with the ADAT protocol double and quad speed will be achieved by multiplexing 2 or 4 of the 8 channels for one audio stream and there is not something in the ADAT protocol header that tells the other side about this.
Auto detection of sample rate only works for SPDIF protocol (optical SPDIF, AES) or also MADI when using 96k frame format.
1handwondr wrote:When I run an ADAT loop (out to in/out to in) between these units ...
This is not a loop, as the digital cable does not connect to the same interface.
Let's better say the two interfaces are connected via ADAT in both directions.
1handwondr wrote:... I have option in FireFace usb settings to use internal clock source on the BabyFace it syncs just fine.
There are two status messages in the Babyface Pro driver settings: lock and synch.
"Lock" means that the interface has locked on the sample rate of another interface.
"Sync" means that an interface has detected its clock on a digital input.
In a bidirectional wiring, only "sync" is acceptable.
If in your case, the BBF Pro is configured as clock master (clock source internal)
and you see in the driver settings "sync" on the ADAT input, then you configured the other side correctly as slave,
otherwise, the BBF Pro could not receive its own clock signal on the ADAT input.
1handwondr wrote:Again, I will disconnect the Mbox USB connection to computer use the Mbox as an expansion I/O.
Which way is the correct way to use the BabyFace's clock source. A single ADAT cable or 2 used in a loop?
As already mentioned, a single ADAT cable is fine to get the clock signal from clock master to clock slave.
The 2nd cable, you only need, if you want to transport audio from the Mbox inputs to the BBF Pro.
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