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Topic: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

Hi, I‘m new here in this Forum.
I‘m Stefan, a mixing and mastering engineer from Switzerland.

I have changed my Studio setup to AVB, atm using a Digiface AVB over usb3 to the PC, connected is a M1610 Pro, but the M32 Pro 2 AD/DA are joining soon.

Now I have a problem/issue, when after mastering is done (working in Wavelab Pro 11&12), and trying to render (export) the files into the different samplerates, I often work with 48 kHz but need to render into 44.1 kHz,  Wavelab tells me when I set the output format to 44.1 kHz, that can not proceed as the interface does not have the correct samplerate for the output.
Setting the interface (m1610) to 44.1 prior to rendering gives a horrible output, as it playes the 48 kHz file with 44.1 kHz.

Now, what do I need to do to have the files exported to another samplerate than the original one?

Was searching the net about this topic for weeks without finding a solution…

Thanks for your help

In Deutsch:
Ich bin Stefan, ein Mixing und Mastering Engineer aus der Schweiz.

Ich habe letstens mein Studio auf AVB umgestellt, aktuell mit Digiface Avb und M1610 Pro, es sollten aber nächstens noch die M32 pro 2 AD/DA dazu kommen.

Nun zu meiner Frage/Problem

Ich arbeite meist mit 48 kHz samplerate, mastere mit Wavelab Pro 11&12. Nun versuche/sollte ich nach dem Mastering die Files/Songs für CD auch in 44.1 kHz samplerate exportieren(rendern), nur gibt mir Wavelab eine Fehlermeldung raus, wenn ich im Outputformat 44.1 kHz einstelle, dass es den Ausgang des Audiogeräts nicht auf 44.1 einstellen kann. Wenn ich vorgängig die Samplerate auf 44.1 einstelle, klingt das Ergebnis schäusslich…

Wie kann ich das bewerkstelligen, dass ich die 48 kHz files für CD in 44.1 kHz exportieren kann?

Im Internet habe ich nach wochenlanger Suche auch nichts gefunden

Danke für eure Hilfe

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2 Reply by waedi (edited by waedi 2024-08-23 15:48:38)

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

The AVB controller app has sample rate setting, I would try to set the sample rate there first and set the M1610 clock to external AVB.

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

Thank you for your fast reply!

Yes, I can set the samplerate in that controller app, that works, but the situation is that I set the samplerate to 48 kHz, in which the songs have been recorded, mixing and mastering them in 48 kHz, which all works fine and great.
But the problem comes when rendering/exporting the songs into the deliverable formats. I can render them into 48 kHz, which works fine, but for e.g. CD, I need to have them in 44.1 kHz samplerate. But wavelab does not let me export/render the files to 44.1 kHz as the interfaces are set to 48 kHz.
If I set them to 44.1 KHz, the files play and sound horribly, as they are too slow, tuned down and sound like crushed.

How can I manage to export/render those 48kHz files into 44.1 kHz?
Hope you understand my issue
Thank you

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4 Reply by waedi (edited by waedi 2024-08-23 16:06:42)

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

I would use another DAW for this task, Reaper.
Why is Wavelab taking the interface sample rate into account for a simple render?
Rendering a song should be possible without any audio interface...?
How about disable the interface in Wavelab ?

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

I need the interface as the outboard gear / hardware processors work with it… I do not only use itb plugins, but also hardware, so I need to render in realtime… ;-)

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6 Reply by ramses (edited by ramses 2024-08-23 16:25:44)

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

You can export in Wave Lab Pro into a different sample rate, I just did it.

On the right side in the Section "Mastersection" you find "Resampling".
Select the desired samplerate from the pull-down menue.
You can toggle here "Monitoring Point", then Oscilloscope, etc ... monitor after this plugin.

Enter Menue: File -> Export -> Render
Location: choose a proper filename
On the right side under "Options" make sure the [ ] Bypass Master Section is disabled.
You may want to keep [x] Fade In/Out at Boundaries.

The result is a file in a different sample rate.
You can also change Bit depth and the file format, e.g. FLAC.

If you work with external HW (maybe reverb or delays) then you might also need
[x] Add Reverb Tail

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

Thank you Ramses

Tried that, found that Resampling, thanks, wasn't aware of that!

So now I did different renderings with always the same result, although I set the sampling rate to 44.1 kHz, the resulting file is always in 48 kHz... strange.
I tried with having the resampling field both left buttons blue, both orange, and one try the left button orange, the right button (monitoring point? looks like a volume "stair") in blue...
Not quite shure, as I have the program in german, if those buttons fit the translation?

It keeps doing the exported files in 48 instead of 44.1, and if I change the output file format of that .wav to 44.1, it puts that error...

btw., the dithering plugin needs to be before or after that resampling plugin?

I also found the resampler plugin seperately in the normal plugin list at Steinberg, but that crushes the output...

Any Idea what I am doing wrong? or does the avb interfaces just not allow to export/render in a different samplerate?

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Re: M1610 Pro AVB Rendering in different Samplerate

Hi there
A little update on the case:

I tried several attempts, and found a solution:
When rendering using realtime export including the hardware gear, it does not work with the resampler...
But, if I export the songs in realtime in the original samplerate, and then open a new project in wavelab, import the newly rendered files, add only the resampler in the mastering chain as a plugin, if needed also a dithering tool, and render the songs directly. like this, it works with the conversion!
Probably, when only mastering in the box without external hardware, it can be done in one step, just adding the resampler at the end of the plugin-chain, but with external hardware and realtime rendering, it needs a seperate process in addition.
A step more in the workflow, but at least I can now convert into different samplerates.
Maybe that also helps others with a similar problem.

Thank you very much for the help @ramses and @ waedi for the precious hints and leading my way to a solution that works.

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