1 (edited by xajas 2024-11-12 08:44:17)

Topic: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

I have created multiple EQ presets for the line-out. All of them reduce the perceived volume. This means that when I switch the EQ off to compare it with the corrected version, the version without EQ is always louder and it makes it difficult to compare them

1. What would be the best method to create an additional "neutral" EQ preset that reduces the volume across the entire frequency range of 20-20,000 Hz by a given value, which I would use instead of switching the EQ off?

2. What would be the recommended approach to identify an equivalent level of reduction?

2 (edited by KaiS 2024-11-12 14:53:14)

Re: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

You can combine EQ Band 1 and 5 for a linear reduction, example:

RME ADI-2 EQ -12 dB reduction with linear frequency response

B1: Gain -12.0 dB  F 1 kHz  Q 0.5 LowShelf
B5: Gain -12.0 dB  F 1 kHz  Q 0.5 HighShelf

The amount of gain needs to be determined subjectively by ear, typically watching the vocal or melodic instruments.
It partly depends on the type of music used.

It will always stay an approximation, as per definition the sound is different.

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Re: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

I don't think it is a good idea to do this in the middle of the hearing range - phase shifts included. Tried this one?

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 82#p227282

Needs bascially only one band, the rest is fine-tuning.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

4 (edited by KaiS 2024-11-12 20:10:33)

Re: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

Now you got me curious.

Typically for minimum phase filters is, a linear frequency-response is accompanied by a linear phase-response.

So, I did a little measurement.
With my EQ / attenuation setting above there is no phase response issue, and voila, as expected, a perfect square wave, indicating all perfectly flat, just pure attenuation (*1):

https://cdn.head-fi.org/a/12556458.jpeg

@MC :
Your proposal works with TotalMixFX (even using two bands), but ADI-2’s EQ’s parameters limit the frequency range of the shelving band #5 down at 200 Hz.

The closest would be using band #1 only, with:
Gain -12 dB F 20 kHz Q 0.5 or 3.8

The result is, that the range above ca. 15 kHz will no be fully attenuated, so neither linear frequency- nor phase-response there.
I spare to post the resulting rippled square wave here.


(*1): A square wave is the fastest way to reveal any irregularities in frequency and phase response.
It covers the whole frequency range.
The slightest deviation from linear in both time or frequency domain becomes immediately visible as deformation of the square.

Re: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

Thank you.

I use

B1: Gain -6.0 dB  F 200Hz  Q 0.7 LowShelf
B5: Gain -6.0 dB  F 200Hz Q 0.7 HighShelf

It works

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Re: How to create „neutral“ EQ preset which only decrease the output level

KaiS wrote:

Now you got me curious.

Typically for minimum phase filters is, a linear frequency-response is accompanied by a linear phase-response.

@MC :
Your proposal works with TotalMixFX (even using two bands), but ADI-2’s EQ’s parameters limit the frequency range of the shelving band #5 down at 200 Hz.

You are right. I overlooked the 200 Hz limitation, and the 2 band trick will work at any frequency and even other Q settings, as long as both bands have the same settings. One more trick to put into the toolbox...

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME