Topic: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Wondering if anyone might have any ideas as to the best option to bring the outs up from 6 to 8...

2 (edited by ramses 2024-11-25 09:17:48)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

For what purpose?

For monitoring, I would choose one of those: ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ADI-2/4 Pro SE
which also offer an AES port, thus leaving the ADAT port free for an 8-port preamp if needed.

ADI-2 DAC FS would also be possible, but is more restricted in terms of I/O and features,
so it is better suited for HiFi not for Studio use.

For further information about these reference converters

Quick overview of the different reference converters:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=32506
Note: contains a link to an Excel file demonstrating the benefits of different reference levels and the feature auto ref level.

Reference Converters, Models, Use cases and misc information around those products
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … ses-EN-DE/

For integration of those reference converter into your setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

For clock synchronization:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

3 (edited by Kubrak 2024-11-25 10:48:33)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ryannn wrote:

Wondering if anyone might have any ideas as to the best option to bring the outs up from 6 to 8...

If you do not need phones out and unballanced connection would do.... You may use output of phones, you just need cable that splits TRS to, say, two TR (or cinch).

Or you may add another DA to digital outputs of UCX II, like Ramses has suggested. If money is concern, there is also ADI-2 (still avaible new for about 400 EUR) or newer ADI-2 FS. But for sure those Pro are really cool.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ryannn wrote:

Wondering if anyone might have any ideas as to the best option to bring the outs up from 6 to 8...

There are 20 outputs, not just 6.

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

5 (edited by ramses 2024-11-25 15:42:36)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

unpluggged wrote:
ryannn wrote:

Wondering if anyone might have any ideas as to the best option to bring the outs up from 6 to 8...

There are 20 outputs, not just 6.

I think he refers to analog / balanced outputs, as you can see on the product photo, there are 6 in the back of the unit.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ramses wrote:
unpluggged wrote:
ryannn wrote:

Wondering if anyone might have any ideas as to the best option to bring the outs up from 6 to 8...

There are 20 outputs, not just 6.

I think he refers to analog / balanced outputs, as you can see on the product photo, there are 6 in the back of the unit.

Yes, I see that, and I'm saying that there are in fact 20 outputs and suggesting to look just a tiny bit broader.

It does not matter if they are analog or digital, any of them can be used for monitoring. Most professional studio monitors have digital inputs, and if not, a decent DAC can be had for an equivalent of a business lunch, or a bit more if you need some advanced features.

This is how I set mine up, using the SPDIF as the main out. TotalMix is flexible enough, including fader groups and room EQ on all outputs. In fact, there are no dedicated "monitor outs" on RME interfaces, as the title of this thread would imply.

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Well in many countries, even in EU, the price of interfaces like ADI-2 Pro and like may be more than monthly income. For example average income in Czech Rep. is less than 2000 EUR before taxes and obligatory health, social care and pension payments. So, average person might get about 1400 EUR netto monthly.

It is way far from one lunch. There are not just US, Germany, .... folks using RME.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Kubrak wrote:

Well in many countries, even in EU, the price of interfaces like ADI-2 Pro and like may be more than monthly income. For example average income in Czech Rep. is less than 2000 EUR before taxes and obligatory health, social care and pension payments. So, average person might get about 1400 EUR netto monthly.

It is way far from one lunch. There are not just US, Germany, .... folks using RME.

What are you talking about? Where did I say that about the ADI-2 Pro?

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Ramses did. And what DA would you suggest to OP? DA that is on par with those in UCX II. Even ADI-2 (not ADI-2 FS) at current sale costs about 400 EUR, but it is big exception because of final clearing old stock at local distributor...

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Kubrak wrote:

Ramses did. And what DA would you suggest to OP? DA that is on par with those in UCX II. Even ADI-2 (not ADI-2 FS) at current sale costs about 400 EUR, but it is big exception because of final clearing old stock at local distributor...

ramses described the ideal solution smile

But any DAC that is not broken, has an optical or coaxial input and two analog outputs of the type and voltage level that is compatible with the OPs monitors will be enough for that purpose. For instance, the SMSL SU-1 or the Fiio BR13. Maybe there are even cheaper. They might be not as feature-packed or reliable as pro-level gear, but they do their job.

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

11 (edited by ryannn 2024-11-25 20:51:21)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ramses wrote:

For what purpose?

For monitoring, I would choose one of those: ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ADI-2/4 Pro SE
which also offer an AES port, thus leaving the ADAT port free for an 8-port preamp if needed.

ADI-2 DAC FS would also be possible, but is more restricted in terms of I/O and features,
so it is better suited for HiFi not for Studio use.

For further information about these reference converters

Quick overview of the different reference converters:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=32506
Note: contains a link to an Excel file demonstrating the benefits of different reference levels and the feature auto ref level.

Reference Converters, Models, Use cases and misc information around those products
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … ses-EN-DE/

For integration of those reference converter into your setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

For clock synchronization:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/


Interesting and thankyou (everyone).  The purpose for the additional outs is to run a surround system for DIY acoustic panels run via exciters/transducers.  There will be as many as 7 panels and a sub woofer, so 8 outputs.  The panels run on standard speaker wire.

I use the UCXII for standard music production applications but need it to be capable of running these panels in a surround system.  But I am uncertain what would be the optimal device (to pair with the UCXII) which would interface with the speaker wire coming from the speakers/panels/transducers.

What kind of amplifier and where to hook it up to the UCX that would allow full control inside TotalMix?

12 (edited by ramses 2024-11-25 20:22:48)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

unpluggged wrote:
Kubrak wrote:

Ramses did. And what DA would you suggest to OP? DA that is on par with those in UCX II. Even ADI-2 (not ADI-2 FS) at current sale costs about 400 EUR, but it is big exception because of final clearing old stock at local distributor...

ramses described the ideal solution smile

Thanks, you got my point ;-) Because those devices give you a real value feature-/quality-wise.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

13 (edited by ramses 2024-11-25 20:30:45)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

Kubrak wrote:

Well in many countries, even in EU, the price of interfaces like ADI-2 Pro and like may be more than monthly income. For example average income in Czech Rep. is less than 2000 EUR before taxes and obligatory health, social care and pension payments. So, average person might get about 1400 EUR netto monthly.

It is way far from one lunch. There are not just US, Germany, .... folks using RME.

I haven't read anywhere that there is an upper limit for the budget.
And with his setup, I still think it would be an excellent way to expand the monitoring section.

Even if someone sets an upper limit, I have often experienced that it was a limit against better judgement and the limit was not so fixed after all, but the better solution was chosen.

It was also the first product that came to my mind because of the many useful functions for monitoring.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

14 (edited by ryannn 2024-11-25 21:07:12)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ryannn wrote:
ramses wrote:

For what purpose?

For monitoring, I would choose one of those: ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ADI-2/4 Pro SE
which also offer an AES port, thus leaving the ADAT port free for an 8-port preamp if needed.

ADI-2 DAC FS would also be possible, but is more restricted in terms of I/O and features,
so it is better suited for HiFi not for Studio use.

For further information about these reference converters

Quick overview of the different reference converters:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=32506
Note: contains a link to an Excel file demonstrating the benefits of different reference levels and the feature auto ref level.

Reference Converters, Models, Use cases and misc information around those products
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … ses-EN-DE/

For integration of those reference converter into your setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … our-Setup/

For clock synchronization:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/


Interesting and thankyou (everyone).  The purpose for the additional outs is to run a surround system for DIY acoustic panels run via exciters/transducers.  There will be as many as 7 panels and a sub woofer, so 8 outputs.  The panels run on standard speaker wire.

I use the UCXII for standard music production applications but need it to be capable of running these panels in a surround system.  But I am uncertain what would be the optimal device (to pair with the UCXII) which would interface with the speaker wire coming from the speakers/panels/transducers.

What kind of amplifier and where to hook it up to the UCX that would allow full control inside TotalMix?


This is looking like I could pair an Octamic with the UCXII or even with a Babyface to get the necessary outputs. 
But would that give full control/monitoring of all separate outputs inside TotalMix?

Or maybe the simpler solution is just to get a UFXIII....  which would already have 8 outs.   Then the question is just how to get balanced outs connected to unbalanced speaker wire, which should be easy but isn't yet clear to me how it is done.

15 (edited by ramses 2024-11-25 21:17:13)

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

An application can only load one audio driver at a time.

So … if you use two recording interfaces, you need devices which use the same driver so that the application can access the devices through this one driver. You also need to take care, that the devices use the same buffer size and that the devices are clock synchronized.

If you have Apple, it might be a little bit different due to the possibility to create aggregate devices. But also here I guess it would be an advantage to have the same devices to have the same type of converter and thus same converter latencies.

A disadvantage with such setups is, that there is no backplane between those devices, you have to route through the DAW if you want to route audio from one to another recording interface.

If I read that you want to implement a surround system, then it might be easiest / best to use devices with the same converters to have the same converter latency. You should have mentioned your use case upfront.

If you need 8 output channels, then UFX II would have been best as it offers 8x D/A using the same converters and it supports RoomEQ if you need it. This is also independent of sample rates as those analog ports are directly attached to the recording interface.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Best solution for increasing monitor outs on UCX II?

ramses wrote:

An application can only load one audio driver at a time.

So … if you use two recording interfaces, you need devices which use the same driver so that the application can access the devices through this one driver. You also need to take care, that the devices use the same buffer size and that the devices are clock synchronized.

If you have Apple, it might be a little bit different due to the possibility to create aggregate devices. But also here I guess it would be an advantage to have the same devices to have the same type of converter and thus same converter latencies.

A disadvantage with such setups is, that there is no backplane between those devices, you have to route through the DAW if you want to route audio from one to another recording interface.

If I read that you want to implement a surround system, then it might be easiest / best to use devices with the same converters to have the same converter latency. You should have mentioned your use case upfront.

If you need 8 output channels, then UFX II would have been best as it offers 8x D/A using the same converters and it supports RoomEQ if you need it. This is also independent of sample rates as those analog ports are directly attached to the recording interface.

Yes, you are right.  I should have mentioned this in the first place.