1 (edited by beingclear 2024-11-26 04:10:18)

Topic: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

Hi!

I'm in the process of selecting the best set up to work with at least 16 outputs for Dolby Atmos.

Thing is, I need 6-8 inputs as well, and the Oria requires an additional ADAT module to make this happen.

On the other hand, Oria has a GUI which, apparently, makes the routing and calibration process for Atmos quite simple, which seems like a significant advantage.

I have a bit more familiarity and fondness for RME products as I have used them in the past, but it is unclear to me
how well disposed they are to working in Atmos, or more to the point, how they would compare to Oria in this regard. 

The UCXII and the UFX's have all the inputs I need, and phenomenal clarity, but are short on outputs without an additional module of some kind. 

Any opinions or recommendations on this one?

2 (edited by waedi 2024-11-26 07:00:43)

Re: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

For example the M-1620 Pro has 16 analog Ins and Outs, perfect for your 16 channel Atmos.
It is a Madi device, any Madi interface would fit nicely, Madiface USB or UFX lll.
You are familiar with RME then you know how Totalmix works and looks.
it's not a Atmos GUI.
The GUI of the Oria is good for Atmos, then this is the big benefit, otherwise I vote for the RME gear.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

3 (edited by ramses 2024-11-27 07:49:44)

Re: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

waedi wrote:

It is a Madi device, any Madi interface would fit nicely, Madiface USB or UFX lll.

MADIface USB? He needs RoomEQ (and MADI). MADIface USB has no RoomEQ.
So the real options are either the UFX III, the MADIface XT II, or a newer version of the HDSPe MADI FX.
I would recommend the UFX III here, as it also has mic inputs for the measurement mic, talk back, etc.

I read a review about the Audient Oria here:
https://www.bonedo.de/artikel/audient-oria-test/

It can be used as a USB recording interface (USB2 connection) or as a standalone device via ADAT or Dante. When considering it for standalone use with an existing (RME) setup:

- ADAT: The unit has just two ADAT input ports, so you’re limited to 16 channels at single speed. The review also suggests the device might max out at 96 kHz, but I’d recommend looking into that further.

- Dante: If you use multiple sample rates in your mixing or mastering workflow, IP-based solutions like Dante (and AVB) don’t work like AES, SPDIF, ADAT, or MADI. They won’t automatically sync to the clock master’s sample rate. Instead, every device in the setup has to be manually reconfigured for the desired sample rate and the number of flows. This makes sense only for static setups locked to one sample rate.

I see no benefit in integrating Sonarworks into such a device. It is better to get products which are excellent in their specific role, see proposal below.

Here’s what I’d suggest instead

Get a UFX III paired with the new M-1620 Pro. Connect the M-1620 via optical MADI, which also gives you galvanic isolation. The UFX III adds RoomEQ, mic inputs, and full integration with TotalMix FX.

For Sonarworks, get it as a separate product and use the Sonarworks mic for measurement (by using the UFX III mic inputs). Then import the results into RoomEQ. In TotalMix FX, you can save RoomEQ settings with snapshots, allowing you to use different levels of room correction as needed. RoomEQ also supports port delay adjustments.

With the UFX III and M-1620 Pro, you can work at any sample rate from 44.1 to 192 kHz. Even at quad speed, you’ll still have 16 channels. And this setup gives you all the analog inputs you’ve asked for, along with a solid and highly flexible RME system in just two rack units.

Dolby Atmos: I’d recommend using the Atmos features in your DAW. I recently experimented with Dolby Atmos in Cubase after watching a tutorial, and it was fantastic—though I’m no expert. Still, the UFX III and M-1620 Pro combo should work great for Atmos projects.

The bonus with this setup? The M-1620 Pro’s 16 analog channels give you the same high-quality D/A converters. And if you’re working with multiple monitor pairs for A/B comparisons—or even a third pair—you can make good use of the UFX III’s extra analog outputs.

And finally, everything based on rock solid RME product with excellent quality, solid drivers, flexibilty of TM FX and the known very long driver support. I have doubts that the Audient solution delivers you the same advantages.

See also on Youtube

RoomEQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja-qxkIqbWY&t=1s
Cubase Atmos example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlMN-bDyGy4

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

ramses wrote:
waedi wrote:

It is a Madi device, any Madi interface would fit nicely, Madiface USB or UFX lll.

MADIface USB? He needs RoomEQ (and MADI). MADIface USB has not RoomEQ.
So the real options are either the UFX III, the MADIface XT II, or a newer version of the HDSPe MADI FX.
I would recommend the UFX III here, as it also has mic inputs for the measurement mic, talk back, etc.

I read a review about the Audient Oria here:
https://www.bonedo.de/artikel/audient-oria-test/

It can be used as a USB recording interface (USB2 connection) or as a standalone device via ADAT or Dante. When considering it for standalone use with an existing (RME) setup:

- ADAT: The unit has just two ADAT input ports, so you’re limited to 16 channels at single speed. The review also suggests the device might max out at 96 kHz, but I’d recommend looking into that further.

- Dante: If you use multiple sample rates in your mixing or mastering workflow, IP-based solutions like Dante (and AVB) don’t work like AES, SPDIF, ADAT, or MADI. They won’t automatically sync to the clock master’s sample rate. Instead, every device in the setup has to be manually reconfigured for the desired sample rate and the number of flows. This makes sense only for static setups locked to one sample rate.

I see no benefit in integrating Sonarworks into such a device. It is better to get products which are excellent in their specific role, see proposal below.

Here’s what I’d suggest instead

Get a UFX III paired with the new M-1620 Pro. Connect the M-1620 via optical MADI, which also gives you galvanic isolation. The UFX III adds RoomEQ, mic inputs, and full integration with TotalMix FX.

For Sonarworks, get it as a separate product and use the Sonarworks mic for measurement (by using the UFX III mic inputs). Then import the results into RoomEQ. In TotalMix FX, you can save RoomEQ settings with snapshots, allowing you to use different levels of room correction as needed. RoomEQ also supports port delay adjustments.

With the UFX III and M-1620 Pro, you can work at any sample rate from 44.1 to 192 kHz. Even at quad speed, you’ll still have 16 channels. And this setup gives you all the analog inputs you’ve asked for, along with a solid and highly flexible RME system in just two rack units.

Dolby Atmos: I’d recommend using the Atmos features in your DAW. I recently experimented with Dolby Atmos in Cubase after watching a tutorial, and it was fantastic—though I’m no expert. Still, the UFX III and M-1620 Pro combo should work great for Atmos projects.

The bonus with this setup? The M-1620 Pro’s 16 analog channels give you the same high-quality D/A converters. And if you’re working with multiple monitor pairs for A/B comparisons—or even a third pair—you can make good use of the UFX III’s extra analog outputs.

And finally, everything based on rock solid RME product with excellent quality, solid drivers, flexibilty of TM FX and the known very long driver support. I have doubts that the Audient solution delivers you the same advantages.

See also on Youtube

RoomEQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja-qxkIqbWY&t=1s
Cubase Atmos example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlMN-bDyGy4


You da best.  But I want to ask what makes you go for an M-1620 over say, a Ferrofish 16?

5 (edited by ramses 2024-11-26 22:01:10)

Re: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

It’s the backbone of your studio. While I don’t run a professional recording studio, I do follow a few key principles that I consider essential.

One of those is avoiding mixing different brands wherever RME products are available. If an issue ever arises, it stays within RME’s ecosystem, where it can be thoroughly troubleshot and resolved "end-to-end". Moreover, RME’s attention to detail is unparalleled across every aspect. Why settle for anything less?

For me, the only compelling reason not to choose RME would be budget constraints.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

6 (edited by hselters 2024-11-27 10:06:31)

Re: Audient Oria or RME for Dolby Atmos?

I am 99% happy with my UFX+ in a 7.1.4 Atmos setup. Currently all speakers go out from that (using the headphone outs for the top speakers)

I’m probably gonna move the 4 top speakers to one of my connected Adat or Madi devices (UCX or Ferrofish 16).
Since speaker delays are corrected using Room EQ, I don’t have to mind any difference in DA conversion and then I can use the UFX+‘s headphone outs for their intended use smile

You can create a fader group and have easy level control from the big knob on the front or better an ARC USB.

The only feature I’m missing is to quickly solo a loudspeaker (hardware output) from total mix with one button. It currently only allows for mute.
Hope that RME adds this feature with an update one day.

The bundled Digicheck NG software has a nice 5.1 LUFS meter and I added the remaining channels as normal meters next to it, very useful.

All in all I can recommend a UFX+ (or II or III) for Atmos, either paired with any kind of ADAT extension for some more outs, or
– if you just need one more pair of outputs for headphones – you could use the UFX’s AES out for that and get one of their ADI-2 devices.