1 (edited by woug68 2024-12-17 16:38:17)

Topic: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Hello. I am 57, I to HiFi since my divorce 10 years ago. Tube- amp and rega 6 turntable and yamaha cd-s1000 cd player and WXC-50 streamer/preamp. . The tube amp broke down. During repair I was advised to buy a hypex class d UcD180 amp. Works really well. Read about dac and bought adi-2fs dac. That changed everything. Now I use a minimac that streams to the adi-2dac fs , to the hypex UcD 180 to my speakers cantara dome (bought from a guy who made them himself). It sounded great immediately. Friend came over, bought the same setup. Now...I sold my tube- amp. Do I sell my rega 6 cause I can not play it on the Adi2 dac fs? Or do I buy a adi-2/4 Pro SE ? Can I play my rega then through this system? And can I connect a pair of subwoofers to this setup. Like a pair of svs sb-1000 Pro's? I have been reading and learning. But is is overwhelming.  Like I can not make out what kind the analogue 'IN'connection on the Afi-2/4 Por SE is. Can my  rega rca cables connect to it? I know it's a lot to ask. But I love the RME products and I was told that I need some dsp and another preamp to even connect a subwooger to my adi-2 dac fs. And now I read here that that is not necessary.  So forgive me but I thought I rather asked my question here to get a decent answer. Thanks very much bringing light in the dark.

2 (edited by KaiS 2024-12-17 14:10:25)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Your setup asks for an ADI-2/4 Pro SE, which can easily managed all your connections.


Here‘s an overview how to connect all your sources and speakers, preferred connection marked bold.


• Rega 6 turntable > ADI-2/4 analog in using RCA to TRS adapters (see below).

• Yamaha CD-S 1000 CD-player > ADI-2/4 Coax or Optical digital in.

• Minimac Streamer > ADI-2/4 USB in.

• ADI-2/4 analog out 1/2 > (RCA in) SVC subwoofer (RCA out) > power amp > main speakers.

• ADI-2/4 front PH 3/4 > optional headphones, if you like.



A pair of these is all that’s needed to plug the turntable:
https://www.amazon.de/Cable-Matters-Cin … amp;sr=8-5

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/619MqCI327S._AC_SX679_.jpg



3 (edited by woug68 2024-12-17 16:36:37)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Thank you very much. I returned my second adi-2 dac and I order a adi-2/4 Pro SE and the connecting cables. Only things that  confuses me as I never had a sub: I want to use a pair of subs. but when i get the SVS SB 1000 Pro it will get clear
Thank you very very much for your time ans your swift answer.

4 (edited by KaiS 2024-12-17 17:26:33)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

No, left stays left, right stays right, all through.

On both subs you will use the left in and out only, and leave the input marked as ”LFE input” alone.

ADI-2/4 left out > left sub in > speaker amp left
ADI-2/4 right out > right sub in > speaker amp right

If you buy two subs - which I consider a good idea - get cables that are not fitted together as a pair if possible (a bit hard to find for a reasonable price).
Or you just split the RCA side long enough to reach both subs, using a cutter knife.


ADI-2/4 Pro SE’s Rear TRS are a versatile 2nd output that can carry the same signal as the main out 1/2, or can be assigned to the secondary channel 3/4’s signal.

I DO NOT advise to connect the subs to those, because:
- it makes the sub’s handling complicated,
- you would miss the sub’s frequency management for the main speakers, it’s 80 Hz high pass filter.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Thanks again very much. I am very curious indeed. Steep learning curve but really worth trying to learn.
Pretty sure I won't miss my tube amp. Gonna sniff around in the forum some more awaiting the ordered stuff. Greetings!. Have a nice holiday coming with some great music.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

The SVS DSP's AD/DA conversion is really not great.

These subwoofers are meant to be used with an AV receiver/pre with separate outputs for LFE and speakers, using the bass management of the AV receiver/pre.

If you connect the ADI-2/4 PRO to the subwoofer's inputs and the speakers to the subwoofer's outputs you will sacrifice a lot of the (extremely) high quality of the ADI-2/4 PRO.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

bejoro wrote:

The SVS DSP's AD/DA conversion is really not great.

These subwoofers are meant to be used with an AV receiver/pre with separate outputs for LFE and speakers, using the bass management of the AV receiver/pre.

If you connect the ADI-2/4 PRO to the subwoofer's inputs and the speakers to the subwoofer's outputs you will sacrifice a lot of the (extremely) high quality of the ADI-2/4 PRO.

To me it looks like the Line input and line output at the sub is direct wired no converters involved, no lost of sound quality.
Only the sub sound is from the internal converter. Not a big deal.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

That would be a shame, loosing quality. Its what makes my speakers shine. Any suggestions/alternstives allowed? Other subwoofer? Thank you

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

This is misleading information about the signal conversion from the input to the output of subwoofers. I have not seen any subs that do this. Most simply use OpAmp buffers between the input and output jacks. Sometimes there is a switch to engage a high-pass filter with an adjustable or fixed cutoff frequency to route the outputs to the power amp - the speakers. I am almost certain that SVS subwoofers are the same.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Full range loudspeakers don't need a low cut, only the sub for itself needs a crossover cutoff.  The stereo signal has to be forwarded untouched !

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

johny_2000 wrote:

This is misleading information about the signal conversion from the input to the output of subwoofers. I have not seen any subs that do this.

What do you mean by "misleading information"? One such sub is in my signature. And nobody ever complained about it.

Fireface UCX II + ARC USB > ADI-2 Pro FS R BE > Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA 1 > KH 120 A

12 (edited by KaiS 2024-12-17 22:39:50)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Don‘t complicate things here, please.

I gave my best to keep it simple for @woug68, who already mentioned that the info he collected feels overwhelming.

I do not see a filter for the main speakers mentioned in it‘s manual, but most SVS subwoofer have it, so I assume there‘s a simple passive one.
If it was DSP it would certainly be accessible by it‘s app.

Anyway, the setup suggested will work nicely either way, specifically with two subs.

@woug68:
If you like you can ask SVS if and how the line out is filtered.
These are the possible options:

1. Direct wire linked (likely).
2. Electronically buffered unfiltered feed through (unlikely).
3. Passive high pass filter - one cap, one resistor (likely, assumed).
4. Active analog high pass filter (unlikely).
5. Digital DSP high pass filter (very unlikely).

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

I was not talking about subwoofers in general. Of course there are subwoofers with an analog signal path (but rare).

With SVS subwoofers every input signal runs through the DSP stage. Even without PEQ the volume control of the subwoofer is handled by the DSP stage.

Btw the Neumann KH 750 DSP is fantastic (besides the weird BNC SPDIF input).

Don't get me wrong, SVS subwoofers are really good, I have two SB-4000 in my home cinema setup with a Marantz AV7706 pre pro. But I would not recommend the AD/DA signal path of the SB-4000 for a full range signal.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

KaiS wrote:

5. Digital DSP high pass filter (very unlikely).

Well, you can't be always right. ;-)

The SB 1000 PRO is a DSP subwoofer as well (and controllable via app).

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Depends on what SVS subwoofer the thread starter had in mind. For example, this SVS SB-1000 seems to be just an analog I/O pass-through.
https://i.imgur.com/2TNMZ2N.jpeg

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

and has no DSP either, those potis and the overall layout is the typical analog sub for HiFi stereo set.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

17 (edited by bejoro 2024-12-17 23:15:43)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

@woug68 mentioned the SB 1000 PRO (post #3).
The older SB 1000 is no longer available from SVS.

All SVS subwoofers are DSP subwoofers now.

18 (edited by KaiS 2024-12-17 23:32:13)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

@wough68

Once you have the subs there‘s a simple test:
Switch off their power, if no signal is going to the main speakers any more, there‘s some electronic in the path that should be bypassed.

To do this, just use this type of splitter cable to avoid running the signal through it.

The RCA male goes into the sub, the two female RCA‘s go (with the cables already mentioned) to ADI-2/4 and the power amp (as simple, sound-neutral wire link).

It’s a 6 bucks invest.
My bet is, you won‘t need it smile

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

It‘s an oversight at SVS that they don‘t mention the Line RCA config in their manual for this sub, for others they do.

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

KaiS wrote:

The RCA male goes into the sub, the two female RCA‘s go (with the cables already mentioned) to ADI-2/4 and the power amp (as simple, sound-neutral wire link).

https://i.imgur.com/zVo9pBt.jpeg

21 (edited by bejoro 2024-12-18 07:15:28)

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

@woug68
Some good suggestions here.
As a former SVS dealer I would recommend to ask SVS directly.
SVS is very, very customer friendly.

The SB 1000 PRO is a very good subwoofer. Two of them well placed and integrated will give you a fantastic experience.

It was not my intention to make things more complicated for you, sorry.

The A/D conversion and DSP processing of these SVS subwoofers work very well for bass signals, absolutely no complaints here (very good subwoofers).

Because of my experience with full range signals (main speakers connected to the sub's outputs) I haver never used it that way or recommended it to my customers.

Unfortunately you will have to integrate the subwoofers manually. KaiS wrote a great guide how to do that. With the ADI-2/4 PRO with it's independent outputs 1/2 and 3/4 and independent PEQs it might be easier.

@KaiS
Sorry, no offense intended, my remark was a friendly hint because of my experience with SVS subwoofers. Your vast experience and your willingness to share/educate is very much appreciated. Thank you very much.

You have provided a very good subwoofer integration guide.
Maybe you could provide the link and a little hint how to perform this for two subwoofers.

Or would you proceed differently for the ADI-2/4 PRO with it's independent outputs 1/2 and 3/4 and therefore independent PEQ settings?

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

I am quite astounded that you discuss that openly here. Very nice. To someone like me it I deed daunting this hifi hobby. I am very grateful for a forum like this. To really understand it all I will need some time and some learning. But this helps A LOT. So thx to all. If I don't react it is not out of indifference. It is purely because like everyone I need to work and absorb and process the info. It can be an expensive journey. But it can be worthwhile. Though my ears aren't the best anymore, music is so much more on a decent hifi installation. It is not trivial to me.  It is a soothing experience. Again. Thx  you all for your advice and patience!

Re: Subwoofer and recordplayer: I need a adi-2/4 Pro SE

Once you have the subs you will see that it‘s quite straightforward.

SVS has tutorials BTW how to adjust them, even integrated in their app.


Here‘s one from me that digs a little too deep for your purpose maybe, and has two different approaches with the filtering:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 12#p155312