Topic: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

Hi guys,

Currently running an Audient iD14 Mk2 with PT 10.2024 at 48KHz/128. RTL is 5.5ms and I only record one track at a time. Long ago, I had a Lynx L22 that I really liked but sold after PCI slot computers went away. Now I'm looking into buying a RME HDSPe AIO Pro. Can anyone tell me what mixer or interface I'd need to effectively do what the Audient does... record condenser mic w/48v, record guitars, listen to headphones privately, and control the volume going to my power amp/speakers?

My L22 PCI card needed a sound mixer so I'm assuming the RME would to (maybe not?)

Thanks smile

ASUS B550 MB
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Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

And why HDSPe AIO Pro and not for example Fireface UCX II?

RME interfaces use TotalMix SW that is advanced mixer.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

Kubrak wrote:

And why HDSPe AIO Pro and not for example Fireface UCX II?

RME interfaces use TotalMix SW that is advanced mixer.

Good question... Cost ($1699 vs $999), and I think it just goes back to my fondness for the Lynx interface.

I'll research TotalMix, thanks

4 (edited by ramses 2025-01-20 23:21:45)

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:

Currently running an Audient iD14 Mk2
[...]
Now I'm looking into buying a RME HDSPe AIO Pro.
[...]
Can anyone tell me what mixer or interface I'd need to effectively do what the Audient does... record condenser mic w/48v, record guitars, listen to headphones privately, and control the volume going to my power amp/speakers?
[...]

Clear answer: UCX II and it will do even more than the Audient.

Babyface Pro FS might be too small and is optimized for mobility, that it can run with USB2 bus power.
Therefore some limitations (not so powerful headphone outputs, no full implementation of FX chip, etc).

HDSPe AIO has neither Mic Pres nor instrument inputs to connect a guitar.

UCX II also has the better mix of type and number of I/O ports and useful functions.

Moreover, exclusive features like
- mic preamps with 75 dB gain
- Autoset for Mic/Instr inputs e.g. to find suitable gain level faster and other use cases
- DURec for backup and stand-alone recordings
- RoomEQ + Crossfeed
- Display for stand-alone operation
- Full implementation of FX chip (separate DSP on board)
- ...

You can compare USB interfaces using my Excel, see here:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=35156

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:
Kubrak wrote:

And why HDSPe AIO Pro and not for example Fireface UCX II?

Good question... Cost ($1699 vs $999), and I think it just goes back to my fondness for the Lynx interface.

Sure, but you have to add mic preamp to HDSPe AIO Pro and DI box for guitar and possibly also preamp.

If you have tight budget, you could buy Babyface Pro FS, as Ramses already pointed out. BF would fit your current demands. Good portability might be an advantage. But if your demands will rise in future.....

Another possibility is to buy UCX II secondhand. Or even secondhand Babyface Pro FS as maybe temporary solution. If you buy seconhand, you have pretty good chance to sell it, if needed, for similar price in future. So, no much loss.

FF UCX II, Digiface USB, Babyface Pro FS

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

Kubrak> BF would fit your current demands.

The BBF Pro FS is missing a 2nd pair of line outs to connect the Adcom GFA545 amp
which he uses in addition to JBL 4412s spkrs.

A Workaround would be to use a cheap D/A converter to cover the missing 2nd pair of stereo outputs.
https://www.thomann.de/de/swissonic_con … 24_192.htm

The Babyface Pro FS is not bad, but too much optimized for mobility and to work on USB bus power.
If money is not too tight, the UCX II would be the much better choice and offer more flexibility and headroom for the future.

The feature set is much (!) better.

Audient €204
BBF Pro €749
UCX II €1329 (€580 more compared to BBF Pro, +77%)

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

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I appreciate the help... thanks guys!

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

9 (edited by waedi 2025-01-22 07:46:00)

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

If those interfaces would use the same driver the latency would be comparable, but the UFX does not use the new drivers like the UCX ll does.
So the UCX ll is the better choice.

The difference in latency is minimal if at all.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

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jonwb310 wrote:

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

Depends on price. Latency will be identical, all RME have great drivers and latency performance. Difference will be in the sub ms range. Latency performance (how low your buffer can be set) is more dependent on your computer the which RME you have. Other brands can be very hit and mis latency wise.
Personally I think the babyface pro fs is a good choice, but I am biased, I have one and really like it a lot, absolutely no issues with headphones power.

Vincent, Amsterdam
https://soundcloud.com/thesecretworld
BFpro fs, 2X HDSP9652 ADI-8AE, 2X HDSP9632

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

Take a look at a latency comparison between different products, there is no significant difference with all RME products, be it FireWire, Thunderbolt, PCI/PCIe or USB.

https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … cts-en-de/

Over the years converter became much faster, but converter latency is still much lower compared to the latency for the transport between recording interface and the computer.

If you are monitoring a vocal recording, then you have a latency called RTL (round trip latency) which covers the complete signal path (Mic, AD conversion, transport to PC/DAW and back, DA conversion, monitoring).

Here the converter latency @44.1 kHz
UFX       AD 12 / DA 28 samples (0,27 / 0,63 ms)
UCX II   AD   5 / DA   6 samples (0,11 / 0,13 ms)

And now look into my blog article for the RTL and you will see that the (ASIO-) buffersize has significantly more impact on the RTL, even if the signal flow is only half of the RTL. This is the case when e.g. playing a virtual instrument where you have no AD conversion and no transport towards the computer. There you only have the processing latency in the DAW, transport to recording interface and D/A conversion for monitoring.

So .. if you compare the different recording interfaces you should better compare
- number and types of I/O ports
- special features (FX chip or not, Autoset, DURec, ...)
- stand-alone capabilities if needed
- to have a little reserve for future connection demands
- whether purchase of a used devices makes sense (higher age, the more likely it could fail)
- cross check, whether a MADI based solution would give you a better sustainability of purchase
- whether you want Room EQ and crossfeed (UCX II does support it, UFX not)
- ...

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

Thank you for the detailed information ramses. It sounds like I'm better suited for a newer RME interface.

With my computer, virtual instruments and plugins, my Audient's buffer can only comfortably run at 128 at 48KHz. Because of that, I typically have noticeable latency issues when trying to record single vocal takes. I can direct monitor with it (via a Cue Mix), but because I work about 90% using headphones, I have to change it back using its software panel to hear full DAW playback in my headphones (a real pain).

Does RME have a similar approach to direct monitoring?

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vinark wrote:
jonwb310 wrote:

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

Personally I think the babyface pro fs is a good choice, but I am biased, I have one and really like it a lot, absolutely no issues with headphones power.

Thanks... I've looked at the Babyface. It looks like it could be a direct replacement for what I already have. If I needed to, could I run an external HP amp with it?

(the Audient has a lot of headphone power via its USB Type C connection)

14 (edited by ramses 2025-01-22 18:26:02)

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:

Thank you for the detailed information ramses. It sounds like I'm better suited for a newer RME interface.

With my computer, virtual instruments and plugins, my Audient's buffer can only comfortably run at 128 at 48KHz. Because of that, I typically have noticeable latency issues when trying to record single vocal takes. I can direct monitor with it (via a Cue Mix), but because I work about 90% using headphones, I have to change it back using its software panel to hear full DAW playback in my headphones (a real pain).

Does RME have a similar approach to direct monitoring?

You can monitor directly on the recording interface without having to route through the DAW.

ADM (ASIO direct monitoring) is also supported. See also
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 69#p193769

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10

15 (edited by ramses 2025-01-22 18:32:16)

Re: RME HDSPe AIO Pro... In the dark about how to interface with this?

jonwb310 wrote:
vinark wrote:
jonwb310 wrote:

What do think about buying a used (but good condition) RME Fireface UFX USB/Firewire?

Can it compete "latency wise" with the UCX II?

Personally I think the babyface pro fs is a good choice, but I am biased, I have one and really like it a lot, absolutely no issues with headphones power.

Thanks... I've looked at the Babyface. It looks like it could be a direct replacement for what I already have. If I needed to, could I run an external HP amp with it?

(the Audient has a lot of headphone power via its USB Type C connection)

As I wrote already, I think the Babyface is too little:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 25#p231325

It has no USB-C ports and is designed to work with USB2 power.
With 60/90 mW it has definitively less power compared to an UCX II with 210mW.

It will be cumbersome to connect your HiFi amp and require a separate D/A converter
of most likely questionable quality in this price range.

If I were you I would consider buying the UCX II, then you have all in one unit in the same quality
with AD/DA converters and analog stages in RME studio quality.

BTW .. if you intend to buy an additional headphone amplifier, then you need also to spend some money to get something reasonable, then better the UCX II which gives you on top many more options.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, M-1620 Pro D, RayDAT, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10