1 Topic by alfonso_santimone (edited by alfonso_santimone 2011-08-09 22:41:32)

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Topic: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Hi guys,

when i use the ASIO driver ( either 3.08.5 and 3.08.6 ) in Reaktor 5 and MaxMSP 5.1.8 i have an aliased sound no matter what buffer/samplerate combination.

if i use the same ASIO driver in other application ( Live 8.2.2, Reaper 4.0, Bidule  even if i load inside ReaktorVST and in Live some Max4Live devices ),
the sound is ok.

if i use MME/WDM drivers on every application everything is good.

if i use other audio cards ASIO drivers ( i.e. Maudio Transit ) everything is fine.

mhhhh...

any clue?

i'm on Windows7. i remember not to have that problem with previous drivers

thanks and best regards

alfonso

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

If you can send me your Max and Reaktor patches I can check this with my Firefaces. What exactly do you mean by "aliased" sound and does it help to put a high-cut/low-pass filter at the end of your patches' chains then?

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

hi timur.

thanks for the feedback.

but... every patch is aliased ( only in Reaktor5 and Max...no problem in Reaktor VST and Max4Live patches when loaded i.e. in Ableton Live )

i think is a compatibility issue between RME ASIO and Reaktor5 / MaxMSP  ASIO implementation.

the sound is a mixture of an aliased/bit reduced stuff ( as if the driver runs at 11.025 or less Hz and a 8 or 4 bit.

alfonso

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Could you record a short comparison between plugin and standalone? Just a few seconds to demonstrate the problem, preferably with a preset patch that I can use here, too.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

thanks for the help timur.
i'll do it as soon as i'll be back home from giggin' around on august 21.
thanks again for helping

a.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Hi timur!

i have the patches and some wav file that shows the problem i've reported.
how can i send you all the stuff?

thanks
a.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

If you are on Windows 7 why you not use / try driver 3.26?

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Matthias Carstens
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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

hi matthias!
i do use 3.26.

a.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Hey Alfonso,

either use some website that allows uploading files or PM me for my e-mail address and send it via mail (if smaller than 25 mb). If it's really, really, really big, I might have to setup some FTP.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

here it is!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W49BA1ZI

thanks

  • Registered: 2011-08-30
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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

I get the same thing on a Hammerfall Multiface (driver 3.26) with Vista 32 bit, and ASIO via Portaudio (latest trunk).

A strange aliasing sound that is only present if I open inputs (i.e. call to ASIOCreateBuffers have both inputs and outputs, 18 + 18 channels).

If I open for output only (18 channels), the aliasing is not there. Ideas ?

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Hi guys,
some news.
I've just updated my Reaktor to version 5.6.1 and the sound is ok. ( on Reaktor 5.6.0 was aliased )
Still aliased sound on Max 5.1.9.
...mhhh...

a.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

I also note that opening 16 + 16 channels, the aliasing noise is gone. So I figure this might be a PCMCIA CardBus bandwidth problem ?

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

in max i have aliasing even if i disable all the inputs.
now i gonna try disabling all the outputs except analog 1 and 2.

stay tuned for the result

a.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

same problem.
but i don't think is a bandwidth pcm-cia problem.
i use ableton live with 10 outputs and 8 inputs all active in ome of my live performances and everything works even with 3.26 drivers
...mhhh...
gonna check other host like Bidule.

no problems in Reaper, Ableton Live and Reaktor 5.6.1 ( solved after upgrade from 5.6.0 )

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

no problems in Usine latest version.
no problems in Bidule ( wich afaik uses portaudio )

still problems on MaxMSP 5.1.9 and Wavosaur.

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Re: Strange problem with Hdsp Hammerfall Cardbus + Multiface ASIO drivers

Still having problems with Max 6.
can anyone give me an opinion?

thanks

alfonso