Topic: motherboard and RME Raydat questions
Is anyone using the asus p8z68 v-pro gen three with the raydat? I have a few questions about optimizing my preformance if anyone is able to help. Thank you very much.
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Is anyone using the asus p8z68 v-pro gen three with the raydat? I have a few questions about optimizing my preformance if anyone is able to help. Thank you very much.
Hi,
Make sure you setup your BIOs before installing Windows.
Disable the Blue Tooth.
Make sure your OS drive and audio drives are on the Intel controller not the Marvell or JMicron.
Just use the those controllers for external Esata and storage drives.
Only install the latest versions of the UEFI and BIOS flash utility stuff not any of the other ASUS software.
Here is what settings I would use from looking at the manual using the Windows UEFI software. Your best off not settings the memory aggressively. In the long stability will be better then the minor speed jump.
You will need to use the Advanced Menu.
AI Tweaker -
Leave setting on Auto or the default except-
Intel Speed Step = Disable
Turbo Mode = Disable
This will prevent any auto overclocking and under clocking. Stability over speed or power savings.
C1E, C3, C6 states = Disabled
System Agent Configuration
Initiate Graphics Adapter = PCIe/ PCI (Assuming you are using a video card not the on board iGPU. If so the use {iGPU}).
iGPU = 128meg (If you're using the on board video.)
SATA Configuration -
SATA mode - AHCI or Raid. (If you already installed the OS then DO NOT change this or you will need to re-install windows!)
The best performance will be with AHCI.
On Board Device Configuration -
HD Audio Controller = Disabled
Bluetooth Controller = Disabled
Marvel Storage Controller = AHCI mode
JMB Storage Controller = Enabled
Intel PXE OPROM= Disabled
ASmedia USB Battery Charge = Disabled
It also looks from the manual that PCIeX1_2 slot will be disabled. It would seem from the way it is written that AUTO would be the best mode and just use the 3rd 16x slot or either of the 1x slots.
Thanks Chris
If you dont mind ill give you a run down of all the components of my setup so that may help.
Windows 7 professional 64 bit sp1 oem
case: coolermaster 690II advanced
PSU: corsair hx 650w
cpu: I7 2600k sandy bridge
ram: corsair vengeance 1600 ddr3 1.5v low profile 16g (4x4)
mobo: asus p8z68 v-pro gen 3
cpu cooler: noctua nh-d14
storage drives:1x crucial m4 128g ssd
:2x Wd 1tb 6gb/s 64mb cache
Interface: RME HDSPe Raydat
converters: 2x Behringer ada8000's
Ive been told to disable the jmicron and marvell ports until i will need to use them. Is that a good idea?
I dont have a video card because i heard that will cause latency issues and i would like to keep that as low as possible. Is that a wise choice? But, I would like to run two monitors at some point.
I wont run a raid array and will do manual backups on the esata bay that is on top of my case when i get another hdd. unless i can raid that to mirror other drives?
And what about the TPU and EPU switches on the mobo? What exactly are the functions for those. This is a whole new world compared to my way out of date daw ive been using. Thank you for the help cause i really need it.
I want a stable but also powerful enough system to do pretty large projects. Some will be mostly live tracking but a lot of post in the box work with eqs, compression, and the like. Other projects will be mostly vsti's. I hope im not expecting too much out of this system but I figured with the parts ive chosen it should be possible.
Also I have not installed the os yet. Im not sure what to install because i want to keep my system free of junk. Is there anything i should not install for OS? Lots of questions but I want to cover all my bases.
Hi,
Ive been told to disable the jmicron and marvell ports until i will need to use them. Is that a good idea?
I think the JMicron is the Esata. Which ever one is the ESATA I would leave on and set to AHCI. The other you can turn off until you need the drive ports.
I dont have a video card because i heard that will cause latency issues and i would like to keep that as low as possible. Is that a wise choice? But, I would like to run two monitors at some point.
That is incorrect information. The Intel HD Graphics chip is a video card juts built into the motherboard. It is slower and uses more system resources than a dedicated video card with it's own memory. The current ATI/AMD 5000 and 6000 series card work well for audio and work great with dual monitor setups.
The Intel doe snot work well at all with a dual monitor setup.
I wont run a raid array and will do manual backups on the esata bay that is on top of my case when i get another hdd. unless i can raid that to mirror other drives?
I use Paragon Hard Disk Manager Suite for Automatically backing up my OS and a scheduled back of my project drive. To external USB drives. I use 2 drives in Raid 0 for a samples drive.
Switching the drive controller from AHCI or IDE to Raid will most likely mean you will need to install Windows. If you set the drive controller to Raid from the get go you get all the benefits of AHCI as well as being able to create a Raid array at some point if you needed too.
And what about the TPU and EPU switches on the mobo? What exactly are the functions for those. This is a whole new world compared to my way out of date daw ive been using. Thank you for the help cause i really need it.
These are newer features on the Z68 chip set. AFAIK they are not effecting audio so i would leave at their default state.
I want a stable but also powerful enough system to do pretty large projects. Some will be mostly live tracking but a lot of post in the box work with eqs, compression, and the like. Other projects will be mostly vsti's. I hope im not expecting too much out of this system but I figured with the parts ive chosen it should be possible.
This system should be fast as hell. This will be faster than the single socket Mac Pro.
The z68 is still very new so there are bound to be a few minor hiccups.
Also I have not installed the os yet. Im not sure what to install because i want to keep my system free of junk. Is there anything i should not install for OS? Lots of questions but I want to cover all my bases.
Here is the nest resource for installing and tweaking Windows 7 for audio use IMHO.
He has very good advice in general about using and maintaining your computer.
http://www.tweakhound.com/2011/07/27/2460/
http://www.tweakhound.com/windows7/tweaking/index.html
If you will need to use this machine as a home computer as well as an audio system then you will absolutely need to install a Antivirus program and keep it up to date and the real time protection enabled.
Microsoft Security Essentials is the best free AV.
ESET Smart Security is the best paid AV.
Windows 7 already comes with a bunch of useful stuff so pretty much all you need is Adobe Acrobat, Flash and Apple Quicktime.
Thanks Chris
Thanks again. This has been extremely helpful. I would like to use this pc for recording only but what about getting all the updated drivers and Windows updates? If I stay on sites of the manufacturers sites for getting these would I still need AV software installed? I should get the latest drivers for everything right? Also with this setup would asio drivers work the best for lowest latency?
I download all updates etc. with another machine. I never use windows update as it is mostly security updates. I do install the service packs (SP1 for win7)'
I download all updates etc. with another machine. I never use windows update as it is mostly security updates. I do install the service packs (SP1 for win7)'
The version of windows I purchased is windows 7 pro 64bit sp1. Is that what i should stick with? I remember hearing that sp2 for xp was the best for audio applications. Imay be wrong about that though.
Id also like to ask about the behringer ada8000s. Ive been getting some flack about using those in my rig but after putting together my pc and buying the interface, financially that was the only option for converters i could go with. It just seemed like a good way to keep my system easily upgradeable. The Raydat was something that i really wanted to go with and great converters are out of my price range at the moment. Even though, will i still be able to achieve great recordings with them?
At this time sp1 is the latest so yes stick with it. If everything is working 100% even stick with it if there ever is a sp2 for Win7. I have no internet connection on my DAW.
Some people think the ADA8000 sounds great (some dom´t), so if you are happy, be happy.
I havent setup my whole system yet. I just recieved my ada8000's from ups about 10 minutes ago so im about to start setting up my computer and then the software and hardware. I hope i can get this together without any issues. Im a little nercous since this is my first build. My main concern is getting my computer setup for maximum performance with stability. The build wasnt too bad but now optimizing is going to give me a headache, ha!
Don´t worry to much about it. Good chance it will work fine without mayor tweaking. The 2600k is really powerful. I run a somewhat older system, Q9550 oc´d to 3.65 and I can run almost all projects at 64 buffer (a lot of the time even at 32). On my daw I still run XP 64 pro, but I just installed win7 64 sp1 on a non critical machine (for my photo and video hobby) I have not done any optimizing (yet?).
Adobe is one of the first to fully ban XP on their latest updates.
Good luck!
If I run my raydat in the pcie 2.0 x16_3 slot (black) on asus p8z68 v pro gen three would that improve the performance of the interface? I really am confused to which slot to use. Wouldn't i want to go with the slot that goes to southbridge so there is no interference?
I'd probably use the 2.0 x16_2 slot as it connects directly to the CPU's PCIe controller, but in reality you aren't likely to see any improvement with any compatible slot (talking orders of magnitude smaller time slices than even 192KHz audio )
I'd probably use the 2.0 x16_2 slot as it connects directly to the CPU's PCIe controller, but in reality you aren't likely to see any improvement with any compatible slot (talking orders of magnitude smaller time slices than even 192KHz audio )
would that be the the pcie 3.0/2.0 x16_2 slot [grey](at x8mode)?
??????? Why not use the PCIe X1 slot?????? The troubles are with PCI slots not PCIe. Arn't you making to much of a problem, beforehand?
??????? Why not use the PCIe X1 slot?????? The troubles are with PCI slots not PCIe. Arn't you making to much of a problem, beforehand?
That's why I'm asking these questions. I was just wondering if a certain slot would have any irq conflicts or if a certain slot would have a faster transfer rate. I have never used pcie before and wasn't sure if any had a faster direct access to the CPU. Just trying to straighten out the the learning curve. Thank you for the help
I would say always use the PCIe X1 slot. And I wouldn't worry to much. Only bios tweak that is important is disabling the power managment for the cpu (instructions are higher up in the post by chris) Except maybe leave turbo enabled (try both) the C1E etc is the most important to disable as they tend to cause noise (especially on gigabyte boards) but it never hurts to try them on if you want lower power usage.
I leaned towards the CPU's dedicated PCIe lanes (the x16_2 on most SB MoBo's) for the "Feel Good" factor of knowing it (the PCIe interface) hits the CPU directly (not via QPI/DMI and the secondary Chipset). So: "On-Die" PCIe > CPU > Integrated memory controller > CPU > Back out to the "On-Die" PCIe. The PCIe traffic only hits the secondary chipset to read/write to the HD (so "realtime monitoring" never leaves the CPU and RAM to hit the chipset that I'm aware).
But as I did mention in my post, I can't really see any PCIe choice as being detrimental since the added latencies involved are magnitudes lower than the base sample rate of digital audio (generally 100MHz). The trip from PCIe Input > Chipset > QPI/DMI > CPU > Memory Controller > CPU > QPI/DMI > Chipset > PCIe Output is not likely to have any appreciable effect on realtime Audio Latency or system efficiency and scaling, but I would like to do some tests to confirm or dispel this either way (if only I had time). I believe the higher I/O cards (MADI) would be more likely to show any deviations, but I doubt it will be measurable in the form of more plug-ins or lower latency w/o popping, etc.
Has anyone done extensive testing either way? I'd love to see some concrete comparisons as proof with some high I/O MADI cards in a busy project using realtime monitoring at 32-Samples ASIO (my usual M.O.). Sounds like a benchmarking project for Vin :-P
Thanks somuch for taking the time to answer my questions. I am glad that these learning recorces are available for musicians like me. You guys are a huge help. If you can give me a specific rundown on what to install on my storage drives it would help me not mess anything up.
The drives are
crucial m4 128 Gb ssd
and 2 1tb WD caviar black sata III 6gb/s 64 mb cache.
The programs i run are
Sonar x1 producer expanded
fl studio 9 xxl producer
some waves plugins
some soundtoys plug ins
sylenth
nexus
imposcar
izotope ozone
addictive drums
ez drummer
synplant
u-he zebra
some psp plugins
thats some. I have invested alot in these and my old system cant handle the mixes when i use them.
I had a deal with my wife that the money i made from playing in a band and recording bands i could reinvest the money back into it. Shes a keeper!
Any help is appreciated. I have invested a lot in my new rig but it is so different than my last xp system with one 80GB hdd. I have most of my plugs and programs stored away or on an external waiting to be used. If any other info is needed please let me know.
Hi,
They all get installed on your OS drive in their default install locations.
For Addictive drums and EZ drummer you can install the sample content to one of the 1TB drives.
You may also be able to do that with the content from FL Studio.
Al the other programs need to go on the OS drive in their default locations.
One 1tb drive should be for your Audio projects. The other should for sample content libraries and general storage.
Thanks Chris
Hi,
They all get installed on your OS drive in their default install locations.
For Addictive drums and EZ drummer you can install the sample content to one of the 1TB drives.You may also be able to do that with the content from FL Studio.
Al the other programs need to go on the OS drive in their default locations.One 1tb drive should be for your Audio projects. The other should for sample content libraries and general storage.
Thanks Chris
Ok so Os, and all other programs go on the ssd, including vsti's in the sonar vst sub folder.
Then all sample libraries for vsti's, all other samples, general storage goes on one of the wd's
and then save all of my recording projects and audio from those projects goes on the other wd?
And programs like dpc latency tools should all go on the ssd?
HI,
Correct.
If they are a standalone utility like DPC latency monitor and do not have an installer then they can go anywhere.
Chris
are there any other tools that you could recommend? And should i follow the black viper service pack configurations. I have never messed with these things. Would i gain any performance from doing this?
Hi,
Just follow the advice on the Tweakhounds page I linked to back a few posts and you will fine.
Chris
Hi,
Just follow the advice on the Tweakhounds page I linked to back a few posts and you will fine.Chris
The first link for tweakhounds that is there seems to be for an upgrade to windows 7. Since i am doing a fresh install on a newly built pc should I disregard that link?
Hi,
The Install link covers both upgrade and fresh install and any preparation you should do before hand.
Chris
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