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Topic: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Ok as the title states....the Madi Fx's aes outputs are showing up as a default output of 1 and 2 in ableton live causing me all types of problems. I need help.  No big deal you think right? just switch? Nope not that easy.  I'm using an Expert Sleepers ES-4 for Jitter Free Midi and it uses the coax in from a digital source which is of course the FX's 1 and 2.  The problem that arises is that when you instantiate any instrument plug in or for that matter create a new audio track with the ES-4 plug in every daw will create that track with a default output of 1 and 2.  Which wreaks havoc on the es-4 as the plug in tries to change audio data into spdif digital data which then jumbles and corrupts and locks up every synth.  On top of this if i'm not careful with routing i will mistakenly change my mix outputs to 3 and 4 (this how ableton see's the madi fx's outputs) and BAM digital burst almost taking out my monitors and ears happens.  So my question is...is there anyway to change the Madi Fx's default output behaviour? Such as changing the AES default outputs and inputs to somewhere else down the line and returning the main outputs (known officially on all daw's as out's 3 and 4) to a more standardized default of 1 and 2? It's not very clear in the total mix part of the manual on how to do this. Can someone walk me through this via an explanation here? BTW this also happens to me in Cubase 6.5 and I'm on Mac OSX 10.7.4   
I also have that crazy issue with my HDX PT 10.3.2 rig blowing up on the splash screen due to it not being able to handle the number of channels reported by the FX...any ideas on a fix for this?

Thanks

Dennis Ferrer
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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

jeez...anyone? support? really?

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Sorry, this doesn't seem to make much sense. A plugin can not change audio to "SPDIF digital data", as there is no such difference internally before the signal hits the cards physical outputs. Audio remains audio. So your "BAM" must have some other reason...

As for PT, the issue is known to Avid, we'll have to wait.

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4 Reply by dennisf (edited by dennisf 2012-11-13 09:59:00)

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

ok let me clarify....
   what i need to be able to do is change the AES outputs from the default state of channels 1 and 2 to any other channel lets say 41/42 and have outputs 3 and 4 be the new default channels of 1 and 2.  Ableton and Cubase make no distinction as the ch 1 and 2 being AES outputs and therefore if i don't change their outputs to audio channels 3 and 4(which in reality are audio outputs 1 and 2 in a converter) then any and all audio signal gets sent to the AES outputs as they are represented again as channels 1 and 2. This is causing me immense grief as the AES outputs are being used by the expert sleepers ES-4 spdif to midi converter and it's associated plug-in in order to get jitter free midi.  Any audio signal defaulted to aes 1 and 2 gets interpreted by the plugin and es-4 converter and sends random sysex data to my synths causing failure and corruption of their patch data and system failures.  The bam comes from the es-4 plug in when it sends audio data to be interpreted by the es-4 if i have switched to output 3 and 4 mistakenly.  I'm just asking how do I reassign the aes outputs to another set of channels and make what is considered audio out 3 and 4 to a default channel 1 and 2. It's not so clear to me in the total mix and madi fx manual. Also since my converter only sees 24 channels...is it at all possible to a: delete everything from 24 to the 66th channel in the totalMix matrix?  b: since i have another 24channel converter...rename channels 67 through 91 to 24 through 48 in the matrix so that in my daw of choice my 48 channels of conversion show up as 1-48 + aes 1 and 2...Instead of 1-24  67-91 and whatever i reassigned the aes outputs to..  hope this makes sense.


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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Your postings would be a lot easier to read with some sort of structure, i.e. paragraphs or so...

There is no way to reassign the AES channels, but upcoming drivers will see them shifted behind MADI channels, so 1/2 will be MADI.

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Daniel Fuchs
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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Did the newly released drivers solve this problem? PLEASE....tell me so...
This issue is quite huge as now the MPC Renaissance only sees the first 2 inputs of the audio card as a default when in Nuendo.  This means it only see input from the AES.  Which means I can't sample unless I use the renaissance in stand alone mode!! ARRRRGHH!!!

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Dennis

7 Reply by Robbie Ost (edited by Robbie Ost 2012-11-29 14:39:54)

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Hi

After switching from the MADI PCI Card to the MADI FX card i encountered following problem due the expected change of drivers:

All the default connection settings in Nuendo are showing the AES IN/OUT as  ASIO IN/OUT 1 and 2, which makes it also a Stereo1.
Nuendo is by default now Stereo 2  for MADI 1 and 2 and Nuendo Mono 3 and 4 is MADI 1 and 2,
I think you get the idea....please change that! this is horrible to manage!!!

Not a big deal one might say, but if you about to handle 192 channels or in my case 56 channels over 3 different MADI connections
you get quite confused always to add +1 to the channelcount...I am working on a 56 ch. Mixer and when i route things i need to keep it logic and simple!

Is there any way to change or EDIT that default order by my own except of course to rewrite the whole connection assignment within Nuendo??
If not, is this on purpose or is this something you guys are changing soon?

Thanks!
Robbie

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Hi Dennis,

I happen to have also a problem with AES connections being the first ones showing up in ASIO driver

No the latest drivers (1.06) are still showing AES as the first 2 inputs and outputs...

I hope they change it soon...thats really bad for me too...

best

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Windows driver version 1.07 has AES and Phones as last ASIO devices. Please try.

https://archiv.rme-audio.de/download/hd … in_107.zip

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

YES! Thanks MC!
I am going to test it on monday!
have a great weekend!
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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

ok here is a little feedback!

In Nuendo  the problem is solved now! (Cubase too i guess) smile

But the Digicheck Global Metering feature if used with the ASIO drivers shows totaly wrong numbering now..(still the old numbering i guess..)
When i switch it to Hardware Level it shows the right numbers.

BUT in the Totalyzer feature only ASIO can be choosen and for the AES INPUT channels I needed to choose channel 191 and 192 to get it working with
the AES connection!

So there is some order to be made in the DIGICHECK software, but no big thing so far!

Thanks again for the quick fix!

Robbie Ost / go!EASTstudios
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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Fully expected. And we hesitate to change DIGICheck until we get some more feedback. I am just waiting for the first one to complain that the AES channels now change their position when changing sample rates.

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13 Reply by Hugh (edited by Hugh 2012-12-15 22:21:01)

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Re: MADI FX AES outputs showing up as default outputs in Ableton Live HELP

Hello,
Maybe it's just me but the issue of having the AES first in the MadiFX is pretty easy to deal with in Nuendo (and presumably Cubase as well).  In Nuendo disable the AES I/O -

Devices/Device Setup/MadiFX, disable "Visible" for AES.
Then go to the I/O mapping F4, for Input then Output select Preset/192 Inputs (outputs), all will map in order.
Devices/Device Setup/MadiFX, enable "Visible" for AES.
I/O mapping F4, Add Bus, select AES.

Sounds complicated, it's quite fast, took me less than 30 seconds, Nuendo now sees the AES last.
Does not change Digicheck however but anything in Nuendo sees the desired order.

Or I'm missing something, always a possibility.

Hugh