Topic: 12MIC Questions

Hello...I am interested in using the new 12MIC unit with my UFX+. I have a couple of questions regarding this integration:

1). Is MADI the best way to connect the two units?

2). Do you need to connect the Word Clock using the UFX+ as the master or does the Word Clock sync through via MADI?

3). When will the 12MIC manual be available for download.

thanks!

2 (edited by ramses 2020-02-05 07:57:42)

Re: 12MIC Questions

to 1) sure
Hint: does the UFX+ have AVB ? No, so MADI ;-)

to 2) sync through MADI.

Don't know what types of remote controlling features will be available for this unit.
The new units usually can be remote operated by webbrowser.
So maybe AUX device and MIDI remote are not available, lets see.

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10 Pro 2004, Cubase 10.5.20, UFX+, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

Re: 12MIC Questions

to 3) in March. You can subscribe to this topic, I'll send an update when it's up.

Re: 12MIC Questions

Thanks for the responses to my questions. From an AES reference book I have it states that the wordclock isn't necessarily needed when making a digital copy from one piece of equipment to another using protocols like AES, S/PDIF, MADI or TDIF2. The wordclock timing information is embedded in the digital stream. I think its only when you begin to daisy chain multiple devices together that a separate wordclock path should be considered.

I know the UFX+ didn't have AVB but was just concerned whether MADI or ADAT was the best route. After further reading, MADI seems the best option.

I will be looking forward to the manual in March.

Cheers!

5 (edited by vinark 2020-02-05 16:21:03)

Re: 12MIC Questions

I think its only when you begin to daisy chain multiple devices together that a separate wordclock path should be considered.

It is only needed when there is no embedded option available.
Some mic preamps have no digital audio in, only out, so if it needs to be a slave it needs WC.
I have six devices connected digitally. A hdsp9652 is the centre/master without a WC cable in sight. It did take some thinking and drawing a diagram...

Vincent, Amsterdam
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Re: 12MIC Questions

Some additional questions to the device:

1. is MIDI over MADI still supported by this device ?

2. Does it forward MIDI over MADI bits to devices behind on the MADI bus ?

So that it can be ..

3. .. integrated into TM FX as AUX device like the Octamic XTC to be able to save the most important settings in snapshots

4. .. remote controlled by the "MIDI Remote" application ?

5. If connected via MADI, does the 12Mic also perform Auto CA Latency compensation so that it can be mixed on the MADI bus well with i.e. Octamic XTC ?

6. Only curious, whether the ADAT outputs also support optical SPDIF protocol (for rare use cases to connect devices, which are not capable of ADAT).

Many thanks.

BR
Ramses
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10 Pro 2004, Cubase 10.5.20, UFX+, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, ARC USB

Re: 12MIC Questions

ramses wrote:

Some additional questions to the device:

1. is MIDI over MADI still supported by this device ?

2. Does it forward MIDI over MADI bits to devices behind on the MADI bus ?

So that it can be ..

3. .. integrated into TM FX as AUX device like the Octamic XTC to be able to save the most important settings in snapshots

4. .. remote controlled by the "MIDI Remote" application ?

5. If connected via MADI, does the 12Mic also perform Auto CA Latency compensation so that it can be mixed on the MADI bus well with i.e. Octamic XTC ?

6. Only curious, whether the ADAT outputs also support optical SPDIF protocol (for rare use cases to connect devices, which are not capable of ADAT).

Many thanks.

I'd be interested to know the answers as well, thanks!

Eastwood Records
www.eastwoodrecords.co.uk

Re: 12MIC Questions

1. is MIDI over MADI still supported by this device ?

Yes

2. Does it forward MIDI over MADI bits to devices behind on the MADI bus ?

It forwards MIDI SysEx messages (that are used for remote control over MIDI over MADI) from one selected port to one selected port, ie. from coax or optical to coax or optical.

3. .. integrated into TM FX as AUX device like the Octamic XTC to be able to save the most important settings in snapshots

We've got that on our list, however it is not implemented in TotalMix FX at this point.

4. .. remote controlled by the "MIDI Remote" application ?

No. The device has by far too many features that it could be controlled over MIDI. Except for the TotalMix functionality that you know from the XTC, we do not plan to implement other MIDI commands to control the unit.

5. If connected via MADI, does the 12Mic also perform Auto CA Latency compensation so that it can be mixed on the MADI bus well with i.e. Octamic XTC ?

We're looking into that, however in the meantime you could use AVB across an entire network of 12Mics to achieve sample accuracy. That goes so far that each 12Mic could have a (compensated) stack of XTCs, and they would all be sample aligned when received as streams at a Digiface AVB.

6. Only curious, whether the ADAT outputs also support optical SPDIF protocol (for rare use cases to connect devices, which are not capable of ADAT).

No.

Best regards,
Max