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Topic: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Problem with separate audio output in DAW – PreSonus studio one, Mac OS Ventura. Today I spent almost a whole day reading the manual, but I couldn’t output the mix to the monitors separately, and I couldn’t output a separate track to the headphone output! Sound always goes to both outputs, or there is no sound. In DAW, I assigned the output of a separate track to headphones, but there is no sound, what would you advise me to do? It should be so easy! A familiar producer has the same DAW, but an audio interface from another manufacturer, this procedure is done easily within one minute, and everything works great! The mix is sent to the monitors, a separate track to the headphones...

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

We owners of RME interfaces do not send audio out of the DAW to monitors or headphones.
The DAW can send to channels.
These channels are the software playback channels in Totalmix.
From there you have to route the signal to the desired hardware output channel in Totalmix.
The ASSIGN button in Totalmix, right side bottom, is important, it lets you assign a Phones channel to the headphone socket.
It is a bit more complex as in most other interfaces but once you know it, you won't miss it.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Maybe you do not know TotalMix FX?

Audio hits the middle row, sw playbacks, this is audio from the computer.
You can send music to different outputs and the single instruments and the whole DAW submix will show on on one or different channels in the middle row.

Do you know the generic concept of TM FX, that every HW output (bottom row) has an individual submix?

Ensure you are in submix mode (blue area in the upper right).
Click to a HW output in the bottom row, e.g. the HW output where headphones are connected to.

As soon as you click to a HW output in bottom row, then submix mode will show you the submix according to the fader positions in top and middle row.

So all you need to do it to raise or lower faders of top and middle row so that you get the desired submix for this particular output. And again, every output has its individual submix.

If you press the sub button, then you see only channels in top and middle row that send audio to the selected hw output.


This is explained in the manual, in the online videos, in many threads of this forum, in a sticky article of this forum, please see here for further information, an intro to that topic and links to information sources, videos ...

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=34394

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

I'm in submix mode, the sound from the DAW is routed to the middle row to output 1/2 (main output) the individual track output in the DAW is routed to output 3/4 (headphones) but in TotalMix FX these two outputs are on the same channel, route them into separate channels or split - it does not work. The hardware outputs are also set to 1/2 (main out), 3/4 (headphone out) - the mix and single track are playing at the same time, I can't route audio from the DAW the way I want!

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What you say makes no sense.
Please send a screenshot of submix for HW output 1/2 and for HW output 3/4.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

My goal is to re-amp a single track without affecting the entire mix. I need to send the track to the headphone output, connect it to the input of the audio interface through the reamp box, and record this sound. The task is quite simple, but you probably need to be a software engineer to deal with Totalmix, I'm a simple musician... Is there a ready-made snapshot or workspace for such a procedure?

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

No, sorry there isn't a prepared snapshot.
you have to go thru the hard way.
Your screenshots are well made but showing not the requested things.
You have to play the DAW for sending signal.
And you have to click onto the Phones output for making it active.
Then make a screenshot again.
And the same with the main-out. With signal playing from the DaW please.
In the DaW we can see you gave the proper names to each output channel, that's great.
Now let's see if the DAW is sending to where it should.

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9 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-11 18:26:38)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

To make it even clearer, I'll explain - DAW automatically creates a channel for the general output of the mix 1/2 to the monitors, to the middle row. In submix mode, I add an additional headphone output 3/4 - the sound is played in both channels. Next in DAW, on a separate track, I assign output 3/4. To hear only him, but nothing happens - either the whole mix sounds, or there is no sound at all

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

assign the Output 3/4 to Phones 1 is right but only half of the work.
You have to click that output (onto the fader or next to it into the channel field) then pull up the fader of the software channel with the signal.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

DAWdoes not send the sound of the track to the selected channel, the output sound disappears on all channels.My friend made exactly the same setting on his audio interface, it works like clockwork, but not Babyface))

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Your previous screenshots have shown no signal at all because the music was not playing, may you redo screenshots with music play ?

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13 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-11 18:46:52)

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https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJWynD you activate the sound output mode (SUB) to output 3/4 in DAW, the sound disappears completely, also at the output of monitors 1/2. https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJWOSS When the mode (SUB) is not active, the DAW output works for output 1/2 and 3/4 equally

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

That is possible when the routing in Totalmix is not yet proper done.
That's why a new screenshot of Totalmix is requested, where the music is playing and where the headphone output is clicked active.

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https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJWogM

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

The DAW is not sending this signal to the interface.
There is something wrong in Studio One, is there a preference setting for input and output channels somewhere in the background where you have to enable channels ?
At moment that routing is not working.

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17 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-11 19:04:42)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJY9ep This is the matrix, I agree that something is wrong with DAW, but a friend has exactly the same version of DAW, but a different audio interface, everything works. Perhaps - I'll try to look at the MAC system settings and DAW settings. As an option - I'll update the firmware, I don't know where the crutch))

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Matrix looks ok.
There is nothing wrong with the Babyface so far.
But in Studio One, why is the green track no signal and the blue track have good signal ?
Both tracks showing a good wave...!
Mysterious
Anyway you have to figure out by yourself or together with the friend how to bring that signal out of Studio One to the channel 3/4

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Hello, I will try to output a signal to another DAW Logic pro X, I will announce the results, maybe this problem is in DAW

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

I installed and tested DAW Logik Pro X - my settings work great! The problem is not the audio interface: the problem is DAW Presonus studio one 6.2.0! Thank you all for your participation and attention paid to me: God bless you!

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Thanks for clear this up.
Glad you have learned a lot.
Good luck for producing the new hits !

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Although - audio interfaces Apogee Duet and Universal Audio Apollo routing in DAW Presonus Studio work flawlessly! I don't know which side the problem is, but the audio interface RME in DAW Presonus studio one is not working properly! The mix is not split, and is sent to both channels - main and monitors! Or it doesn't play at all. I think it's a RME driver issue. At the moment, only in Logic pro X can I make a high-quality reamping of a selected audio track, although I don’t like this DAW at all, but these are the harsh realities of life)) I think - RME should fix the driver!

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Try to troubleshoot the issue systematically!

Get two different audio tracks in Studio one.
Best with different content and different levels, so that you can distinguish them also visually by the level.

Now send the two tracks in Studio one to two different outputs on the RME recording interface.

Watch in TM FX the middle Row, Software Playbacks, this is audio coming from the PC/the application.

Either

Do you see the two different audio streams now on the intended Outputs in the Middle Row?

If this is the case then you can clearly see, that audio is being sent properly by the Application to the RME recording interface.

The rest is only routing, easiest in TotalMix FX "Full operation mode" in "submix mode".

Click to a HW output and raise the fader of top/middle row to create the individual submix for the particular HW output.

OR

If audio is not showing up in TM FX middle row properly on two different channels as intended, then its now easy to conclude, that you are doing something wrong in the DAW / Studio One.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Why is the problem-track not having this checkbox ?
https://i.ibb.co/5cqZ1hv/click.jpg

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Did you watch the RME video how to setup BBF with Presonus Studio One?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkwSuP8MMDY

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26 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-12 18:56:34)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

waedi - above, I uploaded a screenshot of my settings, they are exactly the same as in your photo! When you activate the SUB channel, check the box - the sound disappears completely both on monitors and in headphones! Exactly the same settings in DAW Logic pro X work right away, everything works! The mix goes to the monitors, the track goes to the headphones! The settings are identical! https://www.imgkub.com/image/snimok-e-k … 358.JJWynD

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Unfortunately I can't read one word in the image.
What you can test, choose different channels. Not 3/4, choose Adat 7/8 or anything.
It doesn't matter wich channel, as soon as it is in Totalmix you can send it to every output you want.

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28 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-12 19:37:04)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

https://ltdfoto.ru/image/yn3lJd Main output
https://ltdfoto.ru/image/yn3u4u Phones output
https://ltdfoto.ru/image/yn3X2Z Matrix
When the SUB channel is activated, the signal does not come from DAW to Total Mix. Selecting Adat channel 5/6 or 7/8 does nothing. The sound level on the sound controls in the Total Mix changes when you switch the output channels, but there is no sound from the DAW, however, nothing happens on the DAW output buses themselves. In my photos, the indicators on the DAW output channels on the right side are frozen, there is no sound! On the left - according to the indicators, the sound passes only along the track directed to the monitors, to the phones - the indicator does not work.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

If you are making screenshots, it would be fantastic if you would also play audio to be able to see the routing by the metering in TM FX.

Without playing audio (e.g. in the screenshot, see URL below) the picture appears to me as rather useless.

https://ltdfoto.ru/image/yn3lJd

What's the value of the screenshot without seeing any playback?

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30 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-12 19:53:10)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

https://ltdfoto.ru/image/yn3lJd  In this screenshot, the sound is reproduced - on the left in the DAW on the tracks it can be seen, on the right in the DAW on the output bus the indicators are frozen, there is no sound - as you can see in the Total mix, the sound is not coming either! My audio interface in DAW Logic pro x with the specified routing settings works immediately and without problems - I don’t know. But does not work in Presonus Studio one. For friends with the same hardware configuration, but on audio interfaces from other manufacturers - Routing Studio one works correctly, I don't know what's wrong, but it doesn't work on RME!

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https://i.ibb.co/5cqZ1hv/click.jpg Everything is set up like this, but nothing works!

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

If other DAWs work, then it is an IMHO a Presonus related issue.
The RME video how to set up Studio One didn't help?
A total reset of TM FX also didn't give better results?

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

With other DAW RME it works well and correctly, with Presonus studio one - routing does not work, but in general everything is fine, except for this problem. Although, and this is surprising - this routing in Presonus Studio works on audio interfaces from other manufacturers. For reamping, I will have to use another DAW, where everything works correctly.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

I just wanted to try out Studio One to see if the same issue is happen on my mac.
I faild horribly trying to get a Demo version of Studio One.
The whole Presonus Website is a fail, creating a user account did not work.
I will stay away from Presonus.
You have found a way that works for you, that's great.
If you don't like Logic why not try out Reaper it works fantastic.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

As far I can see it in the Matrix, you, Denis-II, have routed the software playback 1/2 in Totalmix to both stereo hardware outputs, AN 1/2 and PH 3/4. That would explain, why you always hear the Studio One main out also on the headphone out.
And in Studio One you are using the cue mix option. Maybe it would be much easier to go without this option and simply route the desired track directly to the phones output of the Babyface pro. The cue mix is meant to create separate mixes within Studio One for different musicians. It's a great feature but not that easy to understand and set up properly in my opinion.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

[off topic for this forum .. but as we are at it ]

A friend of mine changed from Cubase to Studio One because operation seems to be easier for him.
I tried studio one (demo version) but I didn't like it and had problems operating it.

As everybody tells Logic is so sweet, does it fail for you in certain aspects?

Reaper is also something where I have to say that I do not like the handling and also not the look & feel.

If Reaper is also nothing for you, then I would try Cubase.
For Cubase you get at least a lot of excellent / interesting training materials (Videos) from Tsching (Holger Steinbrink).
Very well grouped with a lot of useful tips.

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oli77sch wrote:

As far I can see it in the Matrix, you, Denis-II, have routed the software playback 1/2 in Totalmix to both stereo hardware outputs, AN 1/2 and PH 3/4. That would explain, why you always hear the Studio One main out also on the headphone out.
And in Studio One you are using the cue mix option. Maybe it would be much easier to go without this option and simply route the desired track directly to the phones output of the Babyface pro. The cue mix is meant to create separate mixes within Studio One for different musicians. It's a great feature but not that easy to understand and set up properly in my opinion.

Sadly he deleted already the files .. also wanted to have a look, because I only strived it.
I tried to explain to him routing, but then he seems to fail on this.
If you have the time to explain to him step by step in detail, might help him.

If this is true what you saw in the matrix, then I do not understand why this troubleshooting hint didn't help him at all to solve the issue
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 38#p206138

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ramses read this article and now everything is set up correctly - AN 1/2 is directed to the main exit, PH 3/4 is directed only to phones, see the screenshot of my matrix! Presonus Studio One - it doesn't work! When sending a separate track to headphones, the sound immediately disappears on all outputs!
https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJmIDD
This only works in Logic Pro.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

https://i.ibb.co/0XgDMs9/Bildschirmfoto-2023-08-13-um-09-27-32.png

https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/a … MIDI-Setup

Studio One is a great Software - on Windows computers.
It is not ready for Mac !
The workarounds for the routing problem are not acceptable.
They have to rewrite the software for mac.
Until then use another software Reaper or Logic.

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

waedi thanks, interesting article! Looks like I was right - the problem is in Presonus studio! Routing in Logic Pro - works great! It's a pity, of course, Presonus Studio completely suits me, except for this routing problem. Thank you so much to everyone who helped resolve this issue!

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

As you are owner of the software you also have a user account and support. Open a support ticket and force them to take care of this.

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As far I can see, this article from Presonus is not related to Studio One. It’s related to Presonus multichannel audio interfaces, its driver and the macOS core audio output. EDIT: after reading it on a larger screen again: it's related to the Presonus 'StudioLive' mixer series with built-in multichannel interface, it has nothing to do with the 'Studio One' software!

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Denis-II wrote:

waedi thanks, interesting article! Looks like I was right - the problem is in Presonus studio! Routing in Logic Pro - works great! It's a pity, of course, Presonus Studio completely suits me, except for this routing problem. Thank you so much to everyone who helped resolve this issue!

Can you please post a screenshot of the Totalmix mixer window, not matrix? Even better two: one with main mix active and the other with the headphone mix active.
Of course make the screenshots while playing back your Studio One project.
Do you have the 'cue mix' option deactivated now?

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"Cue Mix" option disabled! When playing the mix, you can see - only the main channel works, the blue track, but the sound is not output to the total mix! The phone track is green, and the main and submix outputs on the right are frozen, there is no sound! Sound is not output anywhere!
https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJmOdb
https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJmUXp
https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJmoUd
I repeat, the familiar producers of Presonus Studio One - audio interfaces Apogee Duet and Universal Audio Apollo routing in DAW Presonus Studio work flawlessly! DAW version like mine, computers - Mac mini m2 pro, like mine, Ventura OS is the latest! This is a separate case - Presonus does not route with RME audio I repeat, the familiar producers of Presonus Studio One - audio interfaces Apogee Duet and Universal Audio Apollo routing in DAW Presonus Studio work flawlessly! DAW version like mine, computers - Mac mini m2 pro, like mine, Ventura OS is the latest! This is a separate case - Presonus does not do routing with RME audio interface! RME works well with Logic Pro, not with Presonus...

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On the first screenshot I can see the monitoring cue checkbox is still enabled!

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https://www.imgkub.com/image/JJnJ8X
you uncheck the box, the sound goes to two channels at once, to monitors and phones, while the SUB channel becomes inactive! Two roads lead to a common exit

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Denis-II wrote:

…Presonus does not do routing with RME audio interface! RME works well with Logic Pro, not with Presonus...

There is no reason for that. I only have the free 'Studio One Prime' version, it works absolutely fine with my RME Babyface pro (M1 Mac / Ventura).

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Denis-II wrote:

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you uncheck the box, the sound goes to two channels at once, to monitors and phones, while the SUB channel becomes inactive! Two roads lead to a common exit

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FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
Mac mini M1 - Macbook pro - iPad Air2

49 Reply by Denis-II (edited by Denis-II 2023-08-13 18:22:19)

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

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Unfortunately - it doesn't work for me, only Logic Pro works with routing, it takes just one minute of settings, there is no Presonus

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Re: Problem with separate audio output in DAW

Difficult to see where the problem sits… sorry, it seems I can’t give you further help. I think it’s something with the bus system in Studio One. For some reasons, all seems to be sent to the main out. I also don’t understand, why the user has to add the additional outputs manually in the i/o setup and why they become 'buses'. As you say, in Logic it’s much simpler…

FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
Mac mini M1 - Macbook pro - iPad Air2