I have also an UFX+ and via MADI XTC and 12Mic (in combination with two ADI-2 Pro FS R BE).
I am remote controlling
- XTC through TM FX (Auxdevice support, via MIDI over MADI)
- 12Mic over Gigabit network using a browser
Auxdevice support for 12Mic is promised but will need some more time according to RME.
Please read my review about the 12Mic, it contains some useful information (complete review in the PDF document in english and german): https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … XTC-DE-EN/
If you talk about orchester recordings, do you need recordings in double speed (88.2/96) ?
Then you would utilize the 64 MADI channels best with a combination of 2x 12Mic and one Octamic XTC.
If you want to stay with the 12Mic, which makes also sense, then you could also think about the HDSPe MADI FX card (PCIe based solution) which supports 3 MADI channels, with the optional daughter card even 3x optical MADI.
The nice thing about the HDSPe MADI FX card is:
- optimizing driver, allocates only driver/CPU resources for groups of 8 channels
- redundancy options
- the only PCIe card with FX chip
See my review here (complete review in the PDF document): https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … Pro-FS-BE/
Also nice is to use the ADI-2 Pro FS R BE for the TotalMix FX control room because of the very nice features of this device:
- auto reflevel
- dynamic loudness
- very nice AKM converter
- slow rampup of volume when plugging phones or changing channels
- key remapping features
- etc etc ..
You can combine this very nicely with either UFX+ or via HDSPe MADI FX, e.g. by using the AES port.
Here I documented how to integrate the ADI-2 Pro into your RME setup:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … our-Setup/
The differences between ADI-2 Pro DAC and Pro you can see here, for studio best take the "Pro" device:
To your questions:
> I want an all-in-one system - great for recording a drum kit with external pre's, great for travelling to
> record a singer songwriter, great for expanding to record an orchestra. So, wanting to stay with RME,
> my best bet seems to be a Fireface UFX+..
Yes its very nice indeed. Two different interfaces towards computer (USB3/TB), even USB2 possible (without MADI).
DUREC, Autoset, overhauled analog section (compared to old flagship UFX), very nice standalone capabilities, operateable in standalone mode through display (or via iPad).
> But in order to use this with 3 or 4 12mic's (for orchestral recording), I surely have to use MADI?
> (Unless I use both the Fireface and an RME AVB box, and a switch? - sounds more complicated to me...)
The RME AVB interface provided simply AVB functionality. No Mic inputs, DUREC, Autoset, etc.
Depends on the setup.
At the end of the day with the 12Mic you are future ready whenever you want to switch to AVB.
For the time being you can also daisy chain devices with MADI.
Dedicated infrastructure .. no issues .. no add-on costs for AVB switches.
> So if I were to use the above combination (Fireface UFX+, connected to the 12mic via MADI) how can I
> remotely control the mic pre's? I read in the user manual that it supports midi over madi, but how is this implemented?
Auxdevice support will come later. Do it like me, via network using Webbrowser, works like a charm.
Later via MIDI over MADI by integrating those devices into TotalMix FX (as "Auxdevice").
Then you can control and save the most import parameters in TotalMix FX snapshots.
> Also, can I route audio from my DAW down to the 12mic, and output it from the headphone/line
> out jack on the front panel? And is this also possible for the ADAT outputs? (or are these mic pre direct outs only?).
You will use the Webbrowser to comfortably configure the routing on the 12Mic between the different I/O ports.
> Finally - not knowing much about MADI - do you simply daisy-chain MADI devices together?
Yes .. each cable is capable to support 2km.
Patchcables are available up to 30m, longer cables are also available (with thicker mantling).
You can even use Single Mode fiber (laser based), then even 10km between each device is possible.
For the 12Mic you simply buy a Single Mode SFP.
For the UFX+ it would also be possible but require a special order to get single mode instead of multimode.
> If so, how are they identified?
Each device has a MADI ID 1..8.
On each device you configure
- which MADI input channels to assign for the inputs
- which MADI output channels to assign for the outputs
You can even add another recording device, like MADIface Pro, to this MADI chain to get a backup DAW.
If you use Windows PC, then you can also use Global Record for recordings and backup recordings.
You're welcome. I hope this helps a bit further.
Other articles that might be of interest you can find here: https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … Cbersicht/
X10SRi-F, E5-1650v4, Win10Pro20H2, Cub11Pro, UFX+ (v0.9735), XTC, 12Mic, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE