1 (edited by retyle 2021-03-20 10:34:12)

Topic: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Hi,

I have a problem. We are having a session in a few hours, but I can not get the Behringer ADA8200 to work as 8 extra mic inputs.

I have connected the optical cable from UC in to ADA8200 out, and the ADA8200 is set to ADAT IN (slave) as factory default.

I can see a leak of light in the RME ADAT output port, so I know there is a signal through the optical cable.

But when I open Pro Tools, I can not see the ADAT channels as input options.

Do I need to change some setting in the TotalMix window?

I would really appreciate a fast answer (step-by-step list)! Thanks

2 (edited by ramses 2021-03-20 10:49:02)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

To be able to send audio from the ADA8200 to the UC you need to provide a 2nd TOSLINK cable from ADA82000 to UC:

UC--ADAT OUT ----------TOSLINK cable #1 with clocking information --------> ADA8200 -----> D/A conversion
UC--ADAT IN    <--------TOSLINK cable #2------------------------------------------ ADA8200 <----- A/D conversion from MIC/Line inputs


In the RME driver settings you need to ensure to set
- "clock source" to "internal" and
- optical to "ADAT" format

And yes, the switch on the back of the ADA8200 needs to be set to "ADAT IN" to act as "clock slave" receiving clock from ADAT IN (RME UC).

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

3 (edited by retyle 2021-03-20 10:48:24)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Thank you very much.

So I should just connect both ports and then should be ready to go, or do I need to make any settings also?

Or will the ADA8200 appear in ProTools and TotalMix as soon as I connect the cable?

4 (edited by ramses 2021-03-20 11:45:13)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

EDIT: changed 1st sentences to make it easier to understand.

The ADA8200 channels are represented by the ADAT input and output channels, as you connect the external preamp to the ADAT ports -> ADAT1..8 IN.

I only know Cubase, there you need to choose, which I/O channels you want to use in the project.
In Protools you see either all I/O ports or you need to choose the ports there as well.

Proactive proposal for further operation

You might want to read about TotalMix routing capabilities.
In some cases you might want to route through the DAW, for some monitor mixes it might be more feasible to route directly through the Interface which has a much lower latency.

I can recommend you the RME Tutorial videos to get a 1st very good overview about TotalMix FX's capabilities.
The Videos are really "to the point" (no bla bla) not much time consuming...
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … al-Videos/

After that you can check, whether my TotalMix FX primer for a 1st time setup contains some points of interest for you.
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ind … rnal-equi/

Then you should definitively download the latest version of the manual in PDF format and make yourself familiar, what this interface can do. First I would browse through the manual, to get a 1st impression what information you find where.
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/fface_uc_d.pdf
https://www.rme-audio.de/download/fface_uc_e.pdf

Then I would start with the 1st chapters which give you a good overview about the UCs capabilities and explain basic functions. I think this you should regard as "mandatory task".
The next very interesting section is about TotalMix FX.

Have fun with your new recording interface, RME products are very good.

Take your time with TotalMix, the RME videos, manual, my primer will give you a guidance what a good 1st setup could be for you.

Very important is to understand that you configure on a per output (aka "submix") base.
For every output you provide a mix of signals coming from
- either HW inputs (TM FX top row)
- and/or SW playback channels / from PC/apps (TM FX middle row).
Audio from HW inputs are per default always passed to the DAW/applications.
Audio from PC will show up 1st on the SW playback channel (an "additional Layer" between application and HW output) with the goal to give you the flexibility to route audio to different HW outputs as you like...

If you think this is all to much you can even enter DAW mode, then TM FX routing is gone (no SW playback channels anymore), then you can only route in the DAW ... tbh ... get better acquainted with TM FX routing, you do yourself a favour by this, much more flexibiltity by that.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

The ADA will not appear anywhere. No need for this.
The UC has already those channel visible to you all the time.
In Totalmix there are those named adat1/2 up to adat 7/8 
Or adat 3/4 up to adat 9/10.
Named adat.
send audio to those outputs and you get that sound on the ADa8200 outputs.
The input signals from the ADa8200 are visible in the Total mix input channels and in the same time transmitted to the inputs of the DAW.
Get the connections right as stated from Ramses and ready to go !

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

6 (edited by retyle 2021-03-20 12:36:28)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

I can not get the signal to the RME.

I can see that there is a signal in on the ADA8200 but no signal in TotalMix.
On the rear of the ADA8200 there is following options:
WC IN - Slave
ADAT IN - Slave
Master 44.1k
Master 48k

It's on ADAT IN right now.

Thank you

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Your cabling is unclear from your description in post #6.
Did you plug a 2nd TOSLINK cable from ADA8200 ADAT OUT to UC ADAT IN like described in post #2 ?

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

8 (edited by mkok 2021-03-20 21:49:49)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

retyle wrote:

I can not get the signal to the RME.

I can see that there is a signal in on the ADA8200 but no signal in TotalMix.
On the rear of the ADA8200 there is following options:
WC IN - Slave
ADAT IN - Slave
Master 44.1k
Master 48k

It's on ADAT IN right now.

Thank you

So you can use a single optical cable but you have to set the ada8200 the clock speed you want and then set the sync on the UC to Adat.
If the UC has word clock you can connect word clock out of the uc to word clock in of the ada8200. This way you can then set the uc to internal and ada8200 to Wcc in slave.

Next option is two optical cables (I do this with a Babyface pro fs) set the ada8200 to adat in slave. UC set to internal.

Babyface Pro Fs, Behringer ADA8200, win 10/11 PCs, Cubase/Wavelab, Adam A7X monitors.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Thank you.

I used 2 toslink cables. The problem was that one of them was not connected properly. When I touched it a little bit it started to work.

The ADA8200 is set to master 48kHz and UC slave ADAT.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Ok .. so problem solved now ?

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Why not set to UC master and the ADA8200 to slave? I would have thought the rme clock would be better and you are using two optical cables.

Babyface Pro Fs, Behringer ADA8200, win 10/11 PCs, Cubase/Wavelab, Adam A7X monitors.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Why not set to UC master and the ADA8200 to slave? I would have thought the rme clock would be better and you are using two optical cables.

I have this question, too.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

I have the same problem... What does UC mean?

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

jamison wrote:

Why not set to UC master and the ADA8200 to slave? I would have thought the rme clock would be better and you are using two optical cables.

I have this question, too.

Then you didn't read the thread, this is possible and exactly what I proposed in posting #2.
RME Fireface UC as clock master and Behringer ADA8200 as clock slave.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

amateu wrote:

I have the same problem... What does UC mean?

How can you claim to have the same issue when you don't even know that by UC you mean an RME Fireface UC?

So, what is your specific concern?

Apart from that, the solution of the original posting has already been described in posting #2.
RME Fireface UC as clock master, Behringer ADA8200 as clock slave, receiving clock via its ADAT input.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

My laguage is Spanish, and never heard UC.. I called it sound card or Audio Interface... You can also call it RME Fireface 802, but UC?.. I never heard UC, that is what i was asking. I suppose these two letters stand for two words.

I have done every single thing mentioned here. And I can not get the ADA 8200 to work when conecting via ADA to the  RME fireface 802.

2 tosling cables OUT TO IN. ETC. 48.00.. Inner clock in the Fireface USB settings.

And in my Totalmix.. only appears ADAT 1- in the second row, the one for software.. I do not see anything in the first Raw ( for hardware inputs or instruments) or in the 3erd raw. the one for the OUT .

The synth I have connected to the front panel LIne in 1 of the ADA820.. does not work.. I do see the green ligth on when i press the keyboard, but no signal gets into the totalmix. NO even in the software ADA1,etc..

If someone can help me by giving me a call i will appreciate.. This thread is great but much faster and better a conversation.. My number is +34 619561911.. And Whatsapp is free. Thanks a lot.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

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M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

18 (edited by waedi 2023-01-15 22:40:24)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Sometimes the Behringer unit is weak in sync mode.
Just try the other way around.
Make the 802 clock source to external ADAT IN and switch the Behringer to master 48kHz.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

I use the ada8200 with the Babyface pro fs with the bfp as master. No sync problems at all. I turn it on and it works.

Babyface Pro Fs, Behringer ADA8200, win 10/11 PCs, Cubase/Wavelab, Adam A7X monitors.

20 (edited by amateu 2023-01-16 09:54:50)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Now I understand why i did not see the ADAT hardware INPUT channels and OUTPUT channels.. I eliminated de ADAT channels from Totalmix.. There is a function that lets you do that.. I rechanged that , now they show, and it works now.

I already solved it by putting de master clock in the 8200... But, If I put the master in RME Fireface and the slave in the 8200 does not work. 

Has anyone made it work with the master clock in the RME?

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Hola hombre, buenos dias !
Great to see you make big steps forward !
See previous post from Mkok his unit works with sync to clock.
I have one where it didn't work.
Master and Slave positioning has no influence to the music, get it working one way or the other way around, and be happy.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Beringer's are known to have a little better specs (because of jitter) when on internal clock, as tested by SOS magazine. UC does not have this problem because of steadyclock, so Berhinger master is best anyway.

Vincent, Amsterdam
https://soundcloud.com/thesecretworld
BFpro fs, 2X HDSP9652 ADI-8AE, 2X HDSP9632

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Sync set to adat on ada8200. Clock source internal on fireface usb settings. Two decent optical cables linking both adat ports. I switch the ada8200 on first then my computer. Before the computer is fully booted up sync lights up on my bfp and the ada8200. Never fails

Babyface Pro Fs, Behringer ADA8200, win 10/11 PCs, Cubase/Wavelab, Adam A7X monitors.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

I did not try to switch the ADA 8200 first. That might be the solution. I will try tonight.
I am not sure who should be the master clock.

My intention is to have Ableton as Master clock and other external gear, in my studio,  slaves to Ableton. So I make Live performance, but BPM, and cocck is controlled from Ableton.
So... I do not know how this affects me now..¿ master clock BEhringuer?.. ¿ master clock RME?. ¿ master clock Ableton?..

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

amateu wrote:

My intention is to have Ableton as Master clock and other external gear, in my studio,  slaves to Ableton...

Software cannot be „master clock“. It’s only with internal clock on the interface, it automatically switches to the sample rate dictated by the software. And this is sent to the external gear too. With an external clock (for example the ADA8200), this isn’t possible, so you have to set the hardware to the same sample rate as the software manually.

UCX - FF 400 - Babyface pro - Digiface USB - ADI-2 (original)
Mac mini M1 - Macbook pro - iPad Air2

26 (edited by waedi 2023-01-16 17:41:53)

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

amateu wrote:

I did not try to switch the ADA 8200 first. That might be the solution. I will try tonight.
I am not sure who should be the master clock.

My intention is to have Ableton as Master clock and other external gear, in my studio,  slaves to Ableton. So I make Live performance, but BPM, and cocck is controlled from Ableton.
So... I do not know how this affects me now..¿ master clock BEhringuer?.. ¿ master clock RME?. ¿ master clock Ableton?..

Follow post 22 !

And don't mess up Bpm with converter clock.
This clock here (master/slave sync) has nothing to do with Bpm of your music project.
converter clock synchronistation is for devices with digital audio connections (Adat, AES, SPDIF)to make them work in one setup.

Bpm and start/stop signals from Ableton are transmitted via Midi to sequencers drum-machines synths etc.
Midi-clock is for BpM transmission and sync of Midi devices.

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Good point.. I read the word "clock" and though was the "midi clock".  I  was confused.

So one thing is converter clock and the other is midi-clock. 

Clear now.. Thanks a lot for your help.

So I can still have my Ableton as master of the midi clock and all my hardware synths , drum boxes, and sequencers, slaves to that midi clock, I guess.

Re: Connect RME UC and Behringer ADA8200

Exactly ! Ableton is the commando bridge of the spaceship and you are the capitain.
All synths are Midi clocked on Ableton Midi.
All converter clocks do sync to one of the converters, in this case the AdA8200 clock.
It is like metronome click for musicians, those clicks must be synchronized for playing music,

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue