Topic: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Hi guys!

My first post here so please be gentle. I just purchased a Ferrofish Pulse16MX and I'm new to Madi. My plan is running 4 stereo bus channels throught a Stam Audio SA-16 active summing mixer and then the stereo mix from it back to the Ferrofish. I got both UFXIII and the Ferrofish set to 96k frame. The problem is that I can only get sound from the first 2 channels on the Ferrofish (the stereo drum bus). I got TotalFX set to DAW mode to avoid routing matrixes.

I use Studio One and also use all ADATs to 2 x Craneborne ADAT500 and that works flawless (after I found the DAW mode in TotalFX).

Can anyone solve my problems?

Cheers,
Torsten

UFX III, Ferrofish Pulse 16MX, Win11Pro, Studio One Pro

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

The DAW mode is very limited, especially if you always have the full RTL in the signal path.

You should therefore familiarize yourself with the routing options of TotalMix FX. You don't have to do this in Matrix view either. The submix mode is much more intuitive.

You select a HW output and can then use the faders of the HW inputs (top row) and SW playbacks (audio from the computer/DAW) to determine which signals are to be routed to the selected output. Audio signals from the inputs can thus be routed in Near-Realtime, while audio signals from the computer/DAW still have time for additional transmission via USB/PCIe.

Your signal flow is then easy to handle. Anything from the inputs that does not necessarily need to be processed by the DAW can be sent directly to the mix bus in real time.
The same goes for the other way around, directly from an output of the mix bus into the input of the recording interface and immediately out again to an output.

In TotalMix FX, you can also create the DAW mode with just one mouse click, see here:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 61#p220861
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 87#p213987

Regarding routing/signal flow .. you also need to look at the routing on the MADI device (Pulse 16), that all inputs and output will be "mapped" to e.g. the first 16 MADI channels.

See my blog to find here good resources for training videos for TotalMix FX:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/Ent … al-Videos/

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Meanwhile, I have started to delete all standard routings (prepared by the factory) and really only set up those that are needed.

This also makes it much clearer which routings you only require.

And the TotalMix signal flow is not difficult at all.

Audio from the inputs is passed on unchanged to the DAW. Audio from the DAW is not immediately sent to the outputs, but first to a kind of patch bay, the middle row, SW playbacks, audio from the PC.

And now you have the unique option in TotalMix FX of being able to create a separate submix for each individual output.

This is very useful for monitoring, so you can create an ideal submix for each musician by making certain instrument groups louder or quieter.

You can also create your own submix in parallel to mixing in the DAW and record it via loopback. I do this, for example, when overdubbing guitar on backing tracks. I turn my guitar up a little on the headphone output and set the volume of the guitar to a level that fits better into the mix for loopback recording. Then you have a recording that you can quickly pass on.

I would like to encourage you not to get confused by all the terminology. Once you have grasped the few basic features of TotalMix, it is easy and convenient to adapt the routing for monitoring or the connection of external FX to your needs.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Thanks a lot Ramses! I will look into that.

Actually I never reroute anything with the inputs and outputs. I made presets in Studio One for all my outboards with S1s plugin Pipeline which let you chose input and output, then automatically measures the latency.

Do you think it's possible to get all my inputs and outputs (analog, Adat, Aes and Madi) working or is the only solution TotalMix?

UFX III, Ferrofish Pulse 16MX, Win11Pro, Studio One Pro

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

I didn't see this thread as I just opened my own: what cable combo do you need to connect UFXIII to FFPMX16?
Thanks

6 (edited by Threshold Productions 2024-08-16 20:03:15)

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

I think I broke the cable that came with the Ferrofish so I ordered this one.

Today I ordered 2 of the original ones from Ferrofish just to be sure (1 for backup).

UFX III, Ferrofish Pulse 16MX, Win11Pro, Studio One Pro

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

vdamir78 wrote:

I didn't see this thread as I just opened my own: what cable combo do you need to connect UFXIII to FFPMX16?
Thanks

You got an answer already.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

8 (edited by ramses 2024-08-16 20:31:37)

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Threshold Productions wrote:

Thanks a lot Ramses! I will look into that.

Actually I never reroute anything with the inputs and outputs. I made presets in Studio One for all my outboards with S1s plugin Pipeline which let you chose input and output, then automatically measures the latency.

Do you think it's possible to get all my inputs and outputs (analog, Adat, Aes and Madi) working or is the only solution TotalMix?

As I mentioned already, with TotalMix FX you can optimize your setup in terms of latency.
Not all audio flows need to be routed through the DAW.

Last time I decided to rebuild the routing of my whole environment and the results are really exciting.
Now I can even make good use of the matrix view, when only seeing routes which are needed.
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.ph … 00#p192400

This is my setup, see blog
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … iii-en-de/

My setup as a diagram:

https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/attachment/3044-current-setup-ufx-iii-v002-jpg/

Working with TotalMix FX is really not difficult. You just have to get started and think about what audio flows you have in your setup.

The inputs are basically the easiest part, as audio is simply passed through and can be easily recorded in the DAW.

If you don't need the detour via the DAW for monitoring, then simply route the inputs of your choice directly and thus almost latency-free to the outputs on which your monitoring takes place.

Then you just have to think about how to split the audio in the DAW. You either output only a stereo sum or additionally certain instrument groups. Or outputs to external FX.

Audio then arrives in TM FX in the middle row.

And now it's up to you what you want to output to the individual outputs. In submix mode, click on an output. You will then see the name of the output at the bottom of each fader. You can now configure the routing for this output by simply raising the faders of HW inputs or SW playbacks. It really couldn't be easier to configure an individual routing for each HW output. Audio either directly from the inputs or after processing in the DAW via the SW playbacks.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Thanks again ramses!

I forgot to point out I only use my inputs and output for my outboard gear and the routing is fixed. I never record any instruments or other sources, just using the the hardware outboards. All music made in the computer and S1 handles any latency with the plugin Pipeline so no problems there.

UFX III, Ferrofish Pulse 16MX, Win11Pro, Studio One Pro

10 (edited by Threshold Productions 2024-08-22 17:01:04)

Re: UFXIII + Ferrofish Pulse16MX = problems for me

Thanks for all the help Ramses but now it's solved. It was the routing in the Ferrofish.

Cheers
Torsten

UFX III, Ferrofish Pulse 16MX, Win11Pro, Studio One Pro