Topic: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Hi there !

I have just purchased a 12 mic for studio pre amp expansion. Octamic XTC is no longer available so this is it.
It is hooked to a UFX III via optical and usb with the last RME connector and it works great, the preamps are awesome and 12 of them is mighty good indeed : I have a 16 mic studio in a 2 unit rack !

Now I want to use it remotely in order to record in, say in an isolated little house,  a barn, etc using a MADI cable. I thought MIDI OVER MADI meant I can manage the RME connector via the only MADI connection. But as soon as I disconnect the usb cable, the RME connector appears offline. Please help !

2 (edited by waedi 2024-09-04 20:06:18)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

In the Connector Settings wich Midi Ports have you selected ?

Page 47 user manual UFX lll :
These ports can be accessed under the name UFX III MADI Optical and UFX III MADI coaxial or UFX III MIDI Port 3 and 4.

The Midi ports you have to select in the Connector settings therefore shall be : UFX III MADI Optical (input and output)

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

3 (edited by ramses 2024-09-04 20:17:44)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Gautier wrote:

Hi there !

I have just purchased a 12 mic for studio pre amp expansion. Octamic XTC is no longer available so this is it.
It is hooked to a UFX III via optical and usb with the last RME connector and it works great, the preamps are awesome and 12 of them is mighty good indeed : I have a 16 mic studio in a 2 unit rack !

Now I want to use it remotely in order to record in, say in an isolated little house,  a barn, etc using a MADI cable. I thought MIDI OVER MADI meant I can manage the RME connector via the only MADI connection. But as soon as I disconnect the usb cable, the RME connector appears offline. Please help !

Midi over MADI "optical" needs port 3 (over BNC port 4).
Port 1+2 are for the two physical MIDI ports on the front/back of UFX III.

But even better news, you do not need RME connector anymore, RME released a few days ago a new TM FX Beta with Auxdevice support for the 12Mic.

https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=40049

Works like a charm.


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r61a5jtob0fuawazle2dr/2024-09-03TM-FX-1.97-Beta-Auxdevice-XTC.jpg?rlkey=h5z2ct75fmvkoqfiq7v8734f0&dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5v1gfbrb91s95p2hj2o13/2024-09-04-21_14_00-TM-FX-Auxdevice-Settings-XTC.jpg?rlkey=pqkh7v7wjm8glqn7ar7ipun4c&dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1bli83rumonuu9xexg5xh/2024-09-03TM-FX-1.97-Beta-Auxdevice-12Mic.jpg?rlkey=b1n7gdng2hpu0b88iz9wnd1tv&dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jcjhif5b3va8le57l2v88/2024-09-04-21_14_00-TM-FX-Auxdevice-Settings-12Mic-Port-1-4-5-8.jpg?rlkey=sbzkhe9yr43zj28m2g37r6wl2&dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8cakg4l1m3j2743cmnfem/2024-09-04-21_14_00-TM-FX-Auxdevice-Settings-12Mic-Port-9-12.jpg?rlkey=zmjyk96yagt81lwirhnawhxru&dl=1

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Thanks Waedi and Ramses for your quick answers. Very efficient and reliable.
So I downloaded the 1.97 beta version of TM with the possibilitiy to include the 12 mic : awesome ! Matthias Carstens is really a master and very caring about his passionnate and professionnal customers.

So I tested the 12 mic and TM. It is to be noted that the gain changes onto the TM main computer screen are directly mirrored on the little 12mic screen but not the reverse : if you change the gain on the unit itself it does not come mirrored on TM.

The main issue though is that only the first 8 mic preamps work like a charm. The others are not recognized. Plus when I go to Options, then SETTINGS, it doesn't matter what I set in there, it is not taken into account, it keeps coming back the ADAT ports. But still the first eight MADI preamps work like a charm.
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Well to sum up this night : I am very happy to have sent my first message and very happy to receive nice feedback and help, thanks again. I confess the 12 mic is little bit confusing for me this is my first MADI experience.

So new questions : do you have any idea how to tackle the "SETTINGS" situation ? Does it come from my setup ? And how to tackle the 9-12 extra 4 preamps within TM ?

Thousand thanks !

5 (edited by waedi 2024-09-05 01:03:40)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Totalmix menu Options / Settings Tab AuxDevice

You have to complete two settings for the Madi channels
first setting  Madi 1 - 8
1.device 12Mic 1 - 4
2.device 12Mic 5 - 8

second setting  Madi 9 - 16
1.device 12Mic 9 - 12
2.device none

For input and output port take port 3

Totalmix menu Options : Enable Midi control, yes enable it (Totalmix will be able to receive Gain position from the 12Mic via Midi)

Totalmix menu Options / Settings Tab Midi : input and output port select port 3 (Totalmix will receive Gain position from the 12Mic via Midi-port 3)

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

6 (edited by ramses 2024-09-05 05:11:11)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Gautier wrote:

So new questions : do you have any idea how to tackle the "SETTINGS" situation ?
Does it come from my setup ? And how to tackle the 9-12 extra 4 preamps within TM ?

Take another look at the screenshots, that's why I made them for you.

My channel distribution on the MADI BUS, related to the screenshots above...
ch 01..08 = Octamic XTC
ch 09..16 = 12Mic Port 1-8
ch 17..20 = 12Mic Port 9-12

Assumed now channels 1..12 for your 12Mic., see below.
It depends on how you have configured the routing on the 12Mic regarding its mic channels from/to MADI Bus (ch 1..64).

General info: since the device no longer corresponds to the 8-port scheme of the Octamic XTC, RME had to come up with something new. The idea here is to enter the 12Mic in groups of 4 ports to support Mic preamps with 4, 8 and 12 Ports.

12Mic Port 1-4:   MADI channel 1..4
12Mic Port 5-8:   MADI channel 5..8
12Mic Port 9-12: MADI channel 9..12

This is what you have to configure now under TM FX -> Options -> Settings (F3), Tab “Aux. Device” tab

Select the Channels (Bank, 8 ports) and enter the ports of your 12Mic under Device 1 and Device 2 in groups of 4.
Device ID, this is the MADI ID of your device, most likely 1 if you have 1 device.
Set MIDI In and Out to UFX III Midi Port 3 (this is MADI optical).

Channels "MADI 1-8":
   Device Type: 12Mic 1-4, Device ID: 1, MIDI In + Out: UFX III Midi Port 3
   Device Type: 12Mic 5-8, Device ID: 1, MIDI In + Out: UFX III Midi Port 3
Channels "MADI 9-16":
   Device Type: 12Mic 9-12, Device ID: 1, MIDI In + Out: UFX III Midi Port 3
   Device Type: None

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Thank you guys for your answers : It works like a CHARM !
What I did not get is that every time I go to the settings page, it starts from scratch but takes into account what has been just previously done, right ? I was confused about the last 4 MADI INS indeed. Following your instructions step by step saved me a lot of time, Thanks again.

8 (edited by smguillem67 2024-11-22 21:25:49)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Hello, I have read / followed the information / steps in the forum about setting up 12Mic to UFX III Midi over MADI, but in the settings page under Aux Devices, under Device 1 I get this message: "No Response" ? and I cannot control the 12Mic in TotalMix.

I have verified that the 12Mic clock is MADI Optical, everything is solid green across the board. I've used MADI 33-40 for 12Mic 1-4 and 12Mic 5-8 and MADI 41-48 for 12Mic 9-12. I am using MIDI channel 3. I already have 2 X FerroFish Pulse 16 MX in the MADI loop so my first 32 channels are in use. I'm probably missing something obvious, just can't figure it out. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Running Mac Sequoia 15.1, TotalMix FX 1.97

UFX-III, 12Mic, FerroFish Pulse 16

9

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Remove the 2 Pulse 16 from the loop to check if they block the communication.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

MC wrote:

Remove the 2 Pulse 16 from the loop to check if they block the communication.

Thank you for the suggestion. I have connected the 12Mic directly to the UFX-III (no pulse in the loop) and I'm having the same issue.

I get a "No Response" next to Device, under the Aux Devices screen.

When I first got my 12Mic about a month ago, I was using ADAT and did not realize at that time that controlling the 12Mic in TotalMix FX only works with MADI and does not work with ADAT. So I purchased the REM SFP module and now using MADI Optical.  In theory, this should work now, so not sure what is the problem.

UFX-III, 12Mic, FerroFish Pulse 16

11 (edited by ramses Yesterday 21:24:42)

Re: 12 Mic Midi over MADI

Should be clear, remote control via TM FX (12Mic as "Auxdevice") is only possible via "MIDI over MADI"
because the 12Mic has no MIDI ports! How should it be controlled via MIDI otherwise than that?

If you are using MADI via optical, how is the cabling now between UFX III and 12Mic.
From UFX III to 12Mic and back from 12Mic to UFX III?

Are UFX III and 12MIC configured for MADI 64ch?

Did you configure in TM FX the proper MIDI port ?
TM FX, Settings (F3), TAB "Aux. Devices", MIDI IN and MIDI OUT -> "UFX III Midi Port 3"

More details see the screenshots in the Excel ... you can have a look at my documentation in the Excel here with a lot of screenshots about MADI settings. There you can see how this works between UFX III, 12Mic, Octamic XTC:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … tup-en-de/

Do not forget to configure
- routing on each of the MADI devices in the serial chain of devices.
- not only the routing for the device itself, but also to pass through the other channels to the next device.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14