1 (edited by kayak2024 2024-09-13 19:19:23)

Topic: Help with HDSPe AES setup

Hello,

I have a new HDSPe AES PCIe card in my Windows desktop.   The AES D-Sub 25 (Tascam-pinout) cable between Mytek 8x192 and HDSPe.  All drivers/firmware updated.
TotalMix is displaying the Output, but the mytek has nothing.  What I mean is, mytek is not getting any input from the HDSPe.

What am I doing wrong? 

Clock source is internal.

Thanks
Pete

2 (edited by ramses 2024-09-13 19:28:52)

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

What digital I/O board does the 8-ch Mytek have?
Is the protocol that it supports AES or SPDIF?

Check RME driver settings, switch between consumer (SPDIF) and professional (AES) and see whether this changes something.

If AES: [x] professional
If SPDIF: [ ] professional

Mytek needs to be configured as clock slave then and read clock via this digital input.

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

Thank you for the quick reply.

Yes I have [x] professional.  And mytek has the AES interface.

What I now believe is missing is the BNC cable between mytek and HDSPe.  Without it, how will it sink (clock)?  How can one be the master and the other slave?

Getting BNC cable tomorrow and will try again.

Thanks
Pete

4 (edited by waedi 2024-09-13 22:33:51)

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

AES signal is sufficiant for sync.
Clock-mode external AES-input

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

waedi wrote:

AES signal is sufficiant for sync.
Clock-mode external AES-input

I can set the mytek Ext clock to AES.  The Hammerfall DSP Setting, the only clock source available is Internal.
Something amiss.   I just don't get it.  No input getting to mytek.

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

kayak2024 wrote:
waedi wrote:

AES signal is sufficiant for sync.
Clock-mode external AES-input

I can set the mytek Ext clock to AES.  The Hammerfall DSP Setting, the only clock source available is Internal.
Something amiss.   I just don't get it.  No input getting to mytek.

Then make RME to slave, by SteadyClock technology RME devices are perfect clock slaves.

See also my blog article about clock synchronization, maybe it helps a bit:
https://www.tonstudio-forum.de/blog/ent … ios-en-de/

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

The HDSPe AES has two D-sub connectors. Are you sure you plugged in the correct one? Otherwise you might use channels 9-16. Also we had lots of users that thought to use a Tascam cable when in reality they had a Yamaha one.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

MC wrote:

The HDSPe AES has two D-sub connectors. Are you sure you plugged in the correct one? Otherwise you might use channels 9-16. Also we had lots of users that thought to use a Tascam cable when in reality they had a Yamaha one.

Only the first one is plugged into the PCIE, the second card is a dummy PCIE, also I did not connect the second because it is not needed.
As far as I know, both mytek and HDSPe uses Tascam.

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

I am talking about your cable.

You should also see the AES returns from the Mytek in the HDSPe AES status panel (Lock or Sync). Nothing there means totally wrong cable or mis-configuration of the Mytek, which has several routing options for AD and DA.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

MC wrote:

I am talking about your cable.

You should also see the AES returns from the Mytek in the HDSPe AES status panel (Lock or Sync). Nothing there means totally wrong cable or mis-configuration of the Mytek, which has several routing options for AD and DA.



Having the AES cable connected makes no difference on Hammerfall or Mytek.
If it was working I think Hammerdfall should have AES1-4 as Sync.
At this point I think the Mytek AES connection is bad.

Yesterday I connected the BNC Cable and it registered on Hammerfall. 
And I tested the 25 pin cable and it looks fine.

Im going to try to connect with Mytek and see if they can help.

Thanks

11 (edited by waedi 2024-09-15 22:48:26)

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

If we would know the correct product name, the user manual would be accessible.

Mytek 8x192 is not a product name.

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

waedi wrote:

If we would know the correct product name, the user manual would be accessible.

Mytek 8x192 is not a product name.

Product: Mytek Digital 8x192 ADDA

Manual : https://cloud.mytek.audio/apps/sharingp … manual.pdf

Thanks

13 (edited by waedi 2024-09-16 01:32:56)

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

Thanks for the link thats great.
Unfortunately the pdf hurts, why do they publish a pdf with parts flipped 90° ?!
They call the device Mastering but they can't even master a pdf.
I will try to look.
Edit :
D-sub connector of the RME card says AES 1-4
D-sub connector pinout diagram of Mytek says AES 1-8

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

Obviously stereo and mono numbering.

@ kayak2024: how did you test the 25 pin cable?

And yes, you should have seen all 4 AES inputs either Lock or Sync.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

15 (edited by kayak2024 2024-09-16 03:01:23)

Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

waedi wrote:

Thanks for the link thats great.
Unfortunately the pdf hurts, why do they publish a pdf with parts flipped 90° ?!
They call the device Mastering but they can't even master a pdf.
I will try to look.
Edit :
D-sub connector of the RME card says AES 1-4
D-sub connector pinout diagram of Mytek says AES 1-8

If the pdf opens in a browser, somewhere you should be able to turn it 90 degrees.

MyTek uses mono, so the equation to MyTek is  (RME AES 1-4) times 2 = AES 1-8.

I tested the cable with my MultiMeter using the diode settings, you know, the one that goes beep!  The better test would to test resistance, I could try that.

Ahhh, you got me thinking.  Plug one end to the HDSP and leave the other open. Use meter to check for signals on the open side.
Or, there is software logic to not send signal if it isn't connected. (that would suck)

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Re: Help with HDSPe AES setup

Your cable is D to D, which means it must cross the connections internally to be able to connect the outputs of one device with the inputs of another. Yes, you can check it with the multimeter, but be aware of what you need to check - output pins to input pins. I fear that cable is just '1:1 through' and can't work.

BTW, that cable (if correct) would also work between the 2 D-sub of the HDSPe AES (I should have had that idea earlier). Try that.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME