Topic: HDSP 9652 questions

TOPCI:RME HDSP 9652 setting
Hello ramses,
I'm sorry to bother you, but there is no sound in our internal voice system. The sound card is HDSP 9652, and I can't see its driver in the device manager. Its original driver version is 3.3.6.0, which I can't find on your official website. In addition, I would like to ask where can I open the Settings page in the picture above.
Please help.

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xuxin wrote:

TOPCI:RME HDSP 9652 setting
Hello ramses,
I'm sorry to bother you, but there is no sound in our internal voice system. The sound card is HDSP 9652, and I can't see its driver in the device manager. Its original driver version is 3.3.6.0, which I can't find on your official website. In addition, I would like to ask where can I open the Settings page in the picture above.
Please help.

You can find drivers and flash updates here: https://rme-audio.de/downloads.html

Re: HDSP 9652 questions

xuxin wrote:

TOPCI:RME HDSP 9652 setting
Hello ramses,
I'm sorry to bother you, but there is no sound in our internal voice system. The sound card is HDSP 9652, and I can't see its driver in the device manager. Its original driver version is 3.3.6.0, which I can't find on your official website. In addition, I would like to ask where can I open the Settings page in the picture above.
Please help.

Hi,

my information level is based on the manual, I do not have this card.
Sorry if my information should be incorrect or incomplete.
Please try the suggestions from Muffin.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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Thanks for your reply.
I have found the DSP page, MIX page and sound control panel. I don't know if there is something wrong with my Settings, the device still has no sound. I connect the rme9652 to the ada8000 through two optical fibers, and then connect the headset. I can see in the MIX program that there is a channel entering signal and then flashing, but no output signal

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Hello,Ramses
I'm really sorry for interrupting earlier.
I am a novice who just contacts the RME sound card, now my sound card does not output any sound, I have checked all the hardware and connection are normal, I have checked the Settings of HDSP6952, but I do not understand, I would like to ask you to check.
I uploaded a picture of the device's wiring and Settings. Thank you very much for your attention.
https://postimage.me/images/2024/10/02/7bbd06f06e1d923d6b346f7ffba63c3.jpghttps://postimage.me/images/2024/10/02/cc21d21d5ed5da66899ee8341c7002a.jpg

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Are you sure your pilot headset microphone needs phantom power 48V ?

typical headsets mic are for 5 V
Please check headset manufacturers infos.
Then the Mic gain needs to be open a lot, on the photo it is closed.

In the windows sound all ports are disabled, why ? can you enable those ?

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

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Only informational, this isn't the root cause.

Clock source ADAT1? So the ADA8200 is clock master?
Why? Do you think that the ADA8200 works better with its own clock?

Sure, SteadyClock on the 9652 will remove any clock jitter to a high degree.

But usually, it is more beneficial (for operational reasons) to have the main recording interface as clock master ("clock source = internal"), because then you can control with the application (DAW, ...) which sample rate to use, 44.1 or 48 kHz. Then the clock slave, in this case the ADA8200, would follow automatically the clock of the master.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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@ramses the HDSP 9652 doesn't have Steadyclock yet.

@xuxin, "my sound card does not output any sound" is unclear. There is an output signal at 1/2, but that seems to be just the input noise routed to the output. There is no playback signal from the computer going to the card.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

9 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 13:07:10)

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From the screenshot that you send it looks as if you are still using a very old version of TotalMix FX.
This brings me to the point that you most likely use a very old driver.
You delivered wonderful information, even a nice drawing, but nowhere you tell which firmware or driver version you use.

As your card is old you will only find the card on the archive site and there only with links to old drivers.
What you need to do is to look at another card, which also uses the HDSPe driver, but which is still being sold.
So this is the RayDAT card .. look at the RayDAT and download the latest driver for this card.

https://rme-audio.de/downloads/driver_hdsp_win_448.zip

If the TM FX bundled software is below version 1.96, then either install 1.96 or the new Beta, 1.97b2 runs fine:
https://forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=40049

After having installed the driver you should upgrade the firmware of the card:
https://rme-audio.de/downloads/fut_wdm_dspe.zip

Only activate WDM devices that you really need for the OS and applications that do not support ASIO.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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ramses wrote:

Only informational, this isn't the root cause.

Clock source ADAT1? So the ADA8200 is clock master?
Why? Do you think that the ADA8200 works better with its own clock?

Sure, SteadyClock on the 9652 will remove any clock jitter to a high degree.

But usually, it is more beneficial (for operational reasons) to have the main recording interface as clock master ("clock source = internal"), because then you can control with the application (DAW, ...) which sample rate to use, 44.1 or 48 kHz. Then the clock slave, in this case the ADA8200, would follow automatically the clock of the master.


Indeed the ADA8200 works better with internal clock, the sync to external feature is the weak point of the device.
I own one, bought used for very cheap and it works better as clock-master.

Here the photo shows all input and playback devices in Windows Sound are disabled.
Do the WDM-devices need an extra configuration and enabling ?

M1-Sequoia, Madiface Pro, Digiface USB, Babyface silver and blue

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Not sure why Windows is showing channels as "disabled", this is likely an OS configuration issue.

Have you tried ASIO playback with e.g. Reaper?

BTW, no need to select the Raydat in the dropdown menu for the drivers, you will get the latest one for the 9652 as well if you choose that...

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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This is the drive for thesound card.
https://postimage.me/images/2024/10/02/7df4348b253c5f687f82b809f1a4705.jpg
It is true that the configuration of the 9652 is turned off, I am not sure which one to turn on, but I have tried to turn on all of them, but it will affect the output signal of the other sound card.
For the clock source, I don't know much about this, I will try to switch sources, and the headset gain issue, which I don't understand what is. I remember two months ago, this sound system was normal, after some time, it was the ada8000 broke, I replaced it, I am not sure if this will affect the sound card Settings.

13 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 13:36:40)

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RME Support wrote:

BTW, no need to select the Raydat in the dropdown menu for the drivers, you will get the latest one for the 9652 as well if you choose that...

I meant the regular product selection page which is the 1st thing that you see from user perspective. I do not see 9652 there.

(1) Neither from the overview
(2) Nor if you click to PCI/PCIe cards which leads to another overview, list of "current" cards.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q9s42bp4qvxwcu5cxkvqj/2024-10-02-14_30_56-Startseite-RME-Audio-Interfaces.jpg?rlkey=jgsw824tlnjn9zooyfizpo0am&st=t2535t0w&dl=1

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

14 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 13:39:30)

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xuxin wrote:

This is the drive for thesound card.
https://postimage.me/images/2024/10/02/7df4348b253c5f687f82b809f1a4705.jpg
It is true that the configuration of the 9652 is turned off, I am not sure which one to turn on, but I have tried to turn on all of them, but it will affect the output signal of the other sound card.
For the clock source, I don't know much about this, I will try to switch sources, and the headset gain issue, which I don't understand what is. I remember two months ago, this sound system was normal, after some time, it was the ada8000 broke, I replaced it, I am not sure if this will affect the sound card Settings.

v 3.3.6 from 2013 is "dog old" with the old version of TM. This I noticed already on the screenshot why I gave you a link of the latest HDSPe driver. We are currently at v4.4.8 with TotalMix FX from 2024 (11 years later!).

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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v 3.3.6 from 2013 is "dog old" with the old version of TM. This I noticed already on the screenshot why I gave you a link of the latest HDSPe driver. We are currently at v4.4.8 with TotalMix FX from 2024 (11 years later!).

For some reason, I can't update the driver. I figured if all the channels were closed, the audio wouldn't be coming out through the sound card, so what channels do you think I should open.

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It should still work fine with the old driver, depending on the operating system.

Please test ASIO playback and look through Windows or search Google to see if you can find out how to enable these channels.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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It should still work fine with the old driver, depending on the operating system.

Please test ASIO playback and look through Windows or search Google to see if you can find out how to enable these channels.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

Did you say "ASIO" comes with the sound card, or is it a special test program, because the device is not connected to the network, so it may not be able to Google.

18 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 14:19:40)

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An ASIO driver (Audio Stream Input/Output) is a specialized driver technology developed by Steinberg. Under Windows, it allows audio software like DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations) to communicate directly with the sound card, minimizing latency (delay) and providing better sound quality.

Unlike regular drivers (such as WDM or Direct Sound), which often have higher latencies, ASIO delivers very low latency, which is crucial for tasks like recording or playing VST instruments in real-time.

Like for every other professional recording card RME offers for their recording interface high quality, rock solid ASIO drivers.

Did you buy the card used or do you have it already since longer time? I wonder that this topic appears to be completely unknown by you as this is very basic and fundamental for installing recording interfaces under Windows.
And it is also documented at the very beginning in the RME manual, see chapter 10:

https://rme-audio.de/downloads/hdsp9652_d.pdf
https://rme-audio.de/downloads/hdsp9652_e.pdf

Installing the ASIO driver is also needed to be able to perform a firmware upgrade on the card.
It is a good idea to use the latest firmware and the latest ASIO driver for "production".
If also a firmware upgrade proceeds without issues this is for me a good sign, that the card is accessible by the usualy upgrade tools and that you can write new code to the FPGA (the internal processor of the card which does "everything").

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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This sound device is at least seven or eight years ago in operation, during which time has not been connected to the network, so the driver is not updated.
I am a equipment maintenance engineer, the sound system is one of the subsystems, it has two sound cards, one is 9652, responsible for the internal phone and communication has part of the audio file, the other is responsible for the speaker, is heavy bass, ambient sound.

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I will study the manual you sent in detail, thank you for your help.

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Which software are you using for playback?
And what's the operating system?

If the system worked earlier, what changes did you make before it stopped?

Maybe this will help:
https://www.makeuseof.com/enable-disabl … n-windows/

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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https://postimage.me/images/2024/10/02/588a76b081ddebf41b78a0c8831fcaf.jpg
I searched this folder for ASIO. But I still think it should be related to the channel being closed. Do you have any suggestions on which channel to test, or the Settings of DSP and MIX.

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There's no need to search for ASIO or so. You would just need to test playback with a software that supports ASIO. If there is none on your computer, you'd have to find out why the Windows playback devices are showing up as disabled. There's no setting in the driver that can do that, it's likely something in Windows.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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Re: hdsp9652 setting
Which software are you using for playback?
And what's the operating system?

If the system worked earlier, what changes did you make before it stopped?

Maybe this will help:
https://www.makeuseof.com/enable-disabl … n-windows/

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

The operating system is windows7 Professional, and I don't know what the playback software is, but it will have a "SIMON" process when it runs. I remember that before there was no sound, we adjusted the knob of the ADA8000, and the Settings of the sound card were not changed

25 (edited by waedi 2024-10-02 15:10:54)

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Do you work with a pilot training tool ?
Connecting online to a virtual tower for radio speech training ?
Then this tool is the playback software.
It most probably is not ASIO and you don't know what a DAW is ?

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I checked Windows Audio and Windows Audio Endpoint Builder in Windows, and their status showed that they were running. By the way, I did a test in the afternoon, that is, the sound card of the environmental sound was not connected to the output device, and the 9652 was normally connected to the ada8000, and I connected the microphone and an active speaker to a channel separately. When I spoke to the microphone, the MIX software would show that there was an input signal in that channel, but no output signal.

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You will need to find out if someone else made changes to the system and disabled the Windows audio devices. I don't think there is an RME problem here. Totalmix is working fine.

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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Do you work with a pilot training tool ?
Connecting online to a virtual tower for radio speech training ?
Then this tool is the playback software.
It most probably is not ASIO and you don't know what a DAW is ?

I don't know much about DAW, but I do know that it has the function of exchanging audio information and is a digital audio workstatioc.The equipment I maintain is a flight simulator.

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https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/128 … ndows.html

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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You will need to find out if someone else made changes to the system and disabled the Windows audio devices. I don't think there is an RME problem here. Totalmix is working fine

I would like to ask if re-inserting or replacing the sound card will clear the Settings or restore the default

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No.

This is your problem, that's what you need to fix. But it's a Windows issue.

https://i.imgur.com/ECRHajh.jpeg

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

32 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 15:33:27)

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xuxin wrote:

You will need to find out if someone else made changes to the system and disabled the Windows audio devices. I don't think there is an RME problem here. Totalmix is working fine

I would like to ask if re-inserting or replacing the sound card will clear the Settings or restore the default

I think not.
But from your 1st posting (see also RME last posting of your image) I see you have a lot of WDM drivers, that were disabled.
The WDM drivers are created by the RME driver settings under WDM.
Under the assumption somebody disabled the WDM driver in Windows you could try,
to delete them all and after that to recreate them, I am pretty sure that upon new creation they will have default settings again ( to be "not disabled").

Best is to make some notes or screenshots upfront, for which I/O port a WDM driver has been created.
Also document the Windows Sound settings for recording and playback devices.

Once you have documented that, set the number of WDM devices to zero ("0").
This deletes all WDM drivers for this card in Windows audio.
After that set it again to that number.
After they have been created freshly, they should be in the state active.
Then in the TAB speaker set the main sound device again to be a speaker device.
Finally in Windows audio make this speaker device to the default audio device for Windows.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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Thank you very much for your answer. Now it is 22:30 Beijing time, I feel very rude for your intrusion. Tonight, I will first learn the manual and website provided by you, and I will contact you in the forum if there is any problem. Thanks again.@RME Support@waedi@ramses@Muffin

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I'm not entirely sure if changing the number of devices will reset that, but it's worth a try, I was thinking of that as well. You never know what Windows might want to remember...

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

35 (edited by ramses 2024-10-02 16:43:24)

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RME Support wrote:

I'm not entirely sure if changing the number of devices will reset that, but it's worth a try, I was thinking of that as well. You never know what Windows might want to remember...

I was also unsure but hoped, that the device generation process would set all to default.

Turns out that you are right.

I opened Windows sound and set "display deactivated devices" (rightclick with the mouse into the background and enable it).

Then in RME device settings I disabled all WDM devices and created only one for AES to test.
Next I deactivated it, deleted it (0) and recreated it at it was still in the state deactivated.

So you are right, Daniel, you need to manually enable them!

EDIT: wouldn't it be a good idea to add code to enable them upon creation?

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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Deactivated or disabled?

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME

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Oops sorry. Deactivated (not disabled).

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub14

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Hello, RME engineers, I still have the problem with 9652 sound card last time, we tested this sound card separately today, when I correctly connected ada8000 and ha8000, the mix program of the sound card worked normally, the microphone input was normal, the speaker output was normal, the input signal and output signal of mix program were normal, and the sound was normal. Here we can confirm that all hardware is normal, but when I connected the speaker of another sound card, the output of 9652 was no longer. I tried a lot of Settings, and I hope to get your help

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If you are located in China please contact Synthax China, they should be able to help:

https://synthaxchina.cn/zh-cn/current-news

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

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xuxin wrote:

Here we can confirm that all hardware is normal, but when I connected the speaker of another sound card, the output of 9652 was no longer. I tried a lot of Settings, and I hope to get your help

This is not clear, please try to be more specific. What other card are you referring to?

Regards
Daniel Fuchs
RME