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Topic: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

Hi everyone,

I've got a Fireface UFX III for a few months..
Right now, I mainly use it for jams with frineds and so far it's just great!
Though, I'm still pretty new such a device. I have yet to gain experience on working with DIGICheck.

Right now, I'm trying to configure a MIDI-Controller für TMFX.
To be precise, a MIDI Fighter Twister (MFT)

I'm trying to get my head around this for about one and half our and failed.
Configuring the MFT was fairly easy, within it's software tool. And I verified the functionality, by setting a knob to ch1 cc102 - which should be AN-In 1 VOLume on TMFX, if I understood the manual correctly - creating a MIDI-track on a Synthstrom Deluge with parameter knobs on the same cc values.

Now, my guess is a misunderstanding, regarding the UFX III/ TMFX-settings.
Should I leave some screenshots of the settings, so you might help me, figure it out?


By now, I was mainly browsing pages 87 to 91 in the manual.

Right now, the UFX III and the MFT are connected to a PC via USB.
My preferred, optimal use case would be, the MFT being connected the Deluge at the beginning of a MIDI chain, so I can partially use it for control of the Deluge and of the in-/ outputs of TMFX.

Anyway, I hope you guys can help me out here.
Have a wonderful weekend!


Kind regards,

Lightyear

Sincerely,

a professional greenhorn

2 Reply by Lightyear (edited by Lightyear 2024-11-03 13:26:48)

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Re: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

Also, here a the MIDI-settings:

  • Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ Remote Controller Select - 1 / In Use (checked)

  • Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ MIDI In - MIDI Fighter Twister

  • Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ Enable Protocol Support (checked)

  • Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ Submix Selection in Input/Playback Row (checked)

  • Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ Enable full LCD support

  • Options\ enable MIDI Controll (checked)

  • Options\ Submix linked to MIDI Controller - 1 (checked)

Sincerely,

a professional greenhorn

3 Reply by maggie33 (edited by maggie33 2024-11-04 03:02:57)

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Re: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

by setting a knob to ch1 cc102 - which should be AN-In 1 VOLume on TMFX

if you want to use the "Standard" MIDI Control via CCs, etc (as described in chapter 28.5.MIDI Control page 91-92)

Options\ Settings\ MIDI\ Enable Protocol Support (checked)

Disable this checkbox (=Disable Mackie Protocol Support)

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4 Reply by Lightyear (edited by Lightyear 2024-11-04 20:25:34)

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Re: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

It works?!

*ahem* I mean:
It works. :-D
Thanks you so much!

I mistook, what's been written in the manual.
It states:
Mackie Control Options
Enable Protocol Support. When disa-bled TM FX will only react on the Control Change commands of chapter 28.5.

But, for the sake of knowledge

  • What would be a use case to check this box?

  • What does it actually enable (and how can I measure it)?

  • Does this ultimately mean, the MFT is unable to use these "extended" protocol support or does it maybe need some config adjustments?


Thanks a lot for resolving my initial issue.


Kind regards,

Lightyear

Sincerely,

a professional greenhorn

5 Reply by MC

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Re: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

This checkbox enables all the simple MIDI notes that trigger Mackie protocol functions (see list in manual). This can be very unpleasant when trying to do something different or just playing a keyboard on the same MIDI channels...

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Re: Controling TMFX via MIDI (FireFace UFX III)

Hi everyone,

sorry for the late response.

Thanks, MC.
Honestly, I figured, there might be some more advanced scenarios.
But still, this is absolutely logical. Can't argue with that. :-)


Now, it also works with Mackie protocol support enabled. But I'm still trying different MIDI parameter values an encountered another issue (probably the MFT).
pebkac

Just for documentation:
- scenario = UFX iii and MFT are connected to a pc via usb
- when opening the MFT-utility (for cc param adjustment) it states, the MFT was not connected
- by unplugging and plugging it back in, the software recognizes the MFT BUT the ufx is not recognizing it anymore
- in short: only one application can access/ receive the controller messages at a time, so while one's in use, the other should remain (completely) closed - the MFT utility also displays a message at the bottom-left of the utility window

Out of curiosity:
Any controller recommendations (besides ARC USB, which is on my to-acquire list)?
May be later version from Behringer or TASCAM, since the tests within the manual have been made with their predecessors.

Kind regards and thanks a lot for your help!


Lightyear

Sincerely,

a professional greenhorn